Coronavirus

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

So it looks like I wasn't the only person here to fail my degree in mind reading. You on the other hand have shown you passed your goal post moving course with honours

Er - what about me?

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

The experience from the Spanish Flu says yes, lockdowns work - https://www.nationalgeographic.com/h...ic-coronavirus (more formal study here - https://www.pnas.org/content/104/18/7582 )

On your second comment, it falls down when public health is involved unless society provides its' own healthcare service. It's governments role to keep us safe. It's why we have the police, army, etc. If suggesting and asking nicely to act safely doesn't work, then governments legislate. It's why we have speed limits. As I have said before, we in the UK are 'soft' when it comes to healthcare as we know that the NHS will always be there if we mess up. If that safety net weren't present, people would be a lot more careful!

Libertariansim like communism is a nice idea on paper but doesn't work in the real world.

From the study you linked to.

This approach is supported by mathematical models, which suggest that multiple simultaneous NPIs applied early in an epidemic may significantly reduce disease transmission. A recent review, however, concluded that the evidence base for recommending such interventions is limited, consisting primarily of historical and contemporary observations, rather than controlled studies.

Meanwhile.

Sweden, which has shunned the strict lockdowns that have choked much of the global economy, emerged from 2020 with a smaller increase in its overall mortality rate than most European countries, an analysis of official data sources showed.
Infectious disease experts cautioned that the results could not be interpreted as evidence that lockdowns were unnecessary but acknowledged they may indicate Sweden’s overall stance on fighting the pandemic had merits worth studying.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...source=twitter

[jfman]

consisting primarily of historical and contemporary observations, rather than controlled studies.

Reads like they didn't like the evidence so conjured up some phoney excuse to discount it.

[spiderplant]

However, Sweden did much worse than its Nordic neighbours, with Denmark registering just 1.5% excess mortality and Finland 1.0%. Norway had no excess mortality at all in 2020.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jfman

Reads like they didn't like the evidence so conjured up some phoney excuse to discount it.

Sounds like Scottish politics.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Sounds like Scottish politics.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Sounds like Scottish politics.

Ooh you are awful... but I like you

Dick Emery™

[Mad Max]

I've just watched some of the Holland V Latvia game, there's approx 5,000 fans in attendance, I didn't see one person in the crowd with a mask on, are their Covid infections so low that they can allow this?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

I've just watched some of the Holland V Latvia game, there's approx 5,000 fans in attendance, I didn't see one person in the crowd with a mask on, are their Covid infections so low that they can allow this?

Like for like probably not - averaging about 7k cases a day, population 17 million.

That said Amsterdam is a host city for Euro 2020, and there's pressure from UEFA for venues to confirm if fans can attend so I assume they are keen to do test events.

Be interesting to know what, if any, mitigations were in place. Testing (lateral flow or PCR), temperature checks, etc.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jfman

Like for like probably not - averaging about 7k cases a day, population 17 million.

That said Amsterdam is a host city for Euro 2020, and there's pressure from UEFA for venues to confirm if fans can attend so I assume they are keen to do test events.

Be interesting to know what, if any, mitigations were in place. Testing (lateral flow or PCR), temperature checks, etc.

Pies at half time...

[nomadking]

Link

The game was played in front of 5,000 home fans in the 55,000-capacity Cruijff Arena in Amsterdam.
The lucky few had to follow strict Covid-19 protocols to get the chance to watch the national side.
...
Everyone who is here has had to download a couple of apps, for information and tracing purposes - and we all have had to show a negative test result taken in the past 24 hours. I did mine this morning - the (negative) result came through within 15 minutes.
If the experiment works, this will open the way for fans to come back in some numbers - maybe even before the end of the domestic season. But this is also being done with the demand of the European Championship in mind - Uefa want proof that fans will be able to attend.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jfman

Like for like probably not - averaging about 7k cases a day, population 17 million.

That said Amsterdam is a host city for Euro 2020, and there's pressure from UEFA for venues to confirm if fans can attend so I assume they are keen to do test events.

Be interesting to know what, if any, mitigations were in place. Testing (lateral flow or PCR), temperature checks, etc.

Hmmm, test events to see if cases/deaths increase from them. I suppose it is one way to go.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Hmmm, test events to see if cases/deaths increase from them. I suppose it is one way to go.

Wait till I tell you what the UK Government has planned...

[Carth]

Originally Posted by jfman

Wait till I tell you what the UK Government has planned...

It's not more Ant & bloody Dec is it

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Carth

It's not more Ant & bloody Dec is it

No, the Kankies are coming back to TV.