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Old 03-05-2019, 13:58   #16
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Re: Will Wales leave the UK? Will it be reduced in size if it does?

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There have been renewed calls for Welsh independence if another Brexit vote isn't held. I think it's worthy of discussion, why don't you?
No. If you have any understanding of Welsh politics in the slightest you would understand that.

There are renewed calls for all sorts of crackpot ideas every day of the week. Welsh independence is one of them.

I mean go on talking about it if you want but it is a genuinely pointless topic.
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They don’t have to ask themselves that, because only a tiny number of them vote Plaid and I suspect not even all of them actually want Wales to separate from the UK.


Ditto the Welsh Assembly. It only exists because there was very little information explaining it's role and powers before the referendum. Many did not vote as they had no idea that it would push for independence. And most are not daft enough to believe it would be of any benefit to the country.
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Re: Will Wales leave the UK? Will it be reduced in size if it does?

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There have been renewed calls for Welsh independence if another Brexit vote isn't held. I think it's worthy of discussion, why don't you?
Because it wouldn't work and appears to be supported only by a relatively small minority in Wales.

Until they can make a financial case for it, there is no case to answer. It's just another diversion from the more serious issues we should be contemplating.
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Old 03-05-2019, 17:00   #19
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Re: Will Wales leave the UK? Will it be reduced in size if it does?

It is unlikely to happen I agree, but sometimes unlikely things do happen.

Todays Afternoon Play on Radio 4 was about what would happen if the UK was broken up, unfortunately I forgot to record it.

I really do wonder whether, if it did happen, the Government of the day would try to mitigate the loss by taking back the part of Wales that is encroaching on England, or whether they would let it go for fear of upsetting the Welsh population.
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It is unlikely to happen I agree, but sometimes unlikely things do happen.

Todays Afternoon Play on Radio 4 was about what would happen if the UK was broken up, unfortunately I forgot to record it.

I really do wonder whether, if it did happen, the Government of the day would try to mitigate the loss by taking back the part of Wales that is encroaching on England, or whether they would let it go for fear of upsetting the Welsh population.
I doubt that anyone else wonders about that!
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Re: Will Wales leave the UK? Will it be reduced in size if it does?

If I were Wales I'd give England Prestatyn and maybe Rhyl. No questions asked
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Re: Will Wales leave the UK? Will it be reduced in size if it does?

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It is unlikely to happen I agree, but sometimes unlikely things do happen.

Todays Afternoon Play on Radio 4 was about what would happen if the UK was broken up, unfortunately I forgot to record it.

I really do wonder whether, if it did happen, the Government of the day would try to mitigate the loss by taking back the part of Wales that is encroaching on England, or whether they would let it go for fear of upsetting the Welsh population.
As it's not going to happen, there's not much point in wondering about it.
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Re: Will Wales leave the UK? Will it be reduced in size if it does?

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Todays Afternoon Play on Radio 4 was about what would happen if the UK was broken up, unfortunately I forgot to record it.
Should be available on BBC sounds for the next 30 days.
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Re: Will Wales leave the UK? Will it be reduced in size if it does?

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Welsh nationalism is absurd. It is blind hatred of England rooted in the medieval dynastic struggles of the 13th and 14th centuries (which Wales lost, while Scotland held its own).
Overdoing the generalisations there a bit

I'm a Welsh nationalist but anyone suggesting I have a hatred (or even a dislike) of England would firstly have to get around the fact my father was half English, as is my son.

Do I want Wales to be self-governing? No, and not just for the reasons you've stated. I do think the UK is stronger if we are united.

Nobody I know of around here wants us to leave the UK.
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Re: Will Wales leave the UK? Will it be reduced in size if it does?

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It's just another diversion from the more serious issues we should be contemplating.
Ditto Sturgeon and the SNP, always wittering-on about independence. But fair game, their Party only stands for one thing.
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Re: Will Wales leave the UK? Will it be reduced in size if it does?

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Should be available on BBC sounds for the next 30 days.
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I doubt that anyone else wonders about that!
Seems odd to enter and contribute to a "silly topic".

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As it's not going to happen, there's not much point in wondering about it.
It might happen. Nobody thought that people would vote to leave the EU, but they did.
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I live in Lincolnshire as far as we are concerned Yorkshire has never been in the UK
As far as Yorkshire is concerned, Lincolnshire has never been in the current century...

(I spent 4 years of my Service career in Lincolnshire, and it was interesting to see how many of the locals seemed to be related)
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Overdoing the generalisations there a bit

I'm a Welsh nationalist but anyone suggesting I have a hatred (or even a dislike) of England would firstly have to get around the fact my father was half English, as is my son.

Do I want Wales to be self-governing? No, and not just for the reasons you've stated. I do think the UK is stronger if we are united.

Nobody I know of around here wants us to leave the UK.
I’m appealing to a fairly widely understood definition of political nationalism here, which I don’t think is controversial given the thread title. By that yardstick you’re not a nationalist at all, but given that Wales has tended to assert its nationhood culturally rather than politically I guess it’s not surprising for Welsh people to consider themselves nationalist without the accompanying political ambitions for the nation.
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By that yardstick you’re not a nationalist at all,
With respect that's for me to decide and nobody else. I may not fall in to your definition but still, that doesn't make any difference
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It might happen. Nobody thought that people would vote to leave the EU, but they did.
No, it won't happen, because the economics doesn't stand up. What is the justification?

Give the Welsh credit for having some common sense.

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Overdoing the generalisations there a bit

I'm a Welsh nationalist but anyone suggesting I have a hatred (or even a dislike) of England would firstly have to get around the fact my father was half English, as is my son.

Do I want Wales to be self-governing? No, and not just for the reasons you've stated. I do think the UK is stronger if we are united.

Nobody I know of around here wants us to leave the UK.
Hi, Russ. I'm not really understanding your reasons for describing yourself as a Welsh nationalist, given the view you have expressed in your post. Could you help me out here?

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It might happen. Nobody thought that people would vote to leave the EU, but they did.
I don't think so, Richard.
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