Brexit (Old)

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Do you write TMs speeches OB ?

Think you'll find we've many years of never ending 'transition' ahead.

Don't know where you get that from. There needs to be a transition period for all our ducks to be in a row, and the extension TM was referring to was only if needed (which she thought we wouldn't) and would be limited to just a few months if required.

Nothing to worry about in my book, but those who want to leave without a withdrawal agreement will be annoyed.

Incidentally, I am now persuaded that TM will cease to be Leader of the Conservative Party once the withdrawal agreement is signed, and there will be a 'coronation' to replace her. That person will guide us through the negotiations for a trade agreement with the EU. It will be a major task to get it through before the end of the transition period. Highly likely to be a committed Brexiteer!

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Don't know where you get that from. There needs to be a transition period for all our ducks to be in a row, and the extension TM was referring to was only if needed (which she thought we wouldn't) and would be limited to just a few months if required.

Nothing to worry about in my book, but those who want to leave without a withdrawal agreement will be annoyed.

Incidentally, I am now persuaded that TM will cease to be Leader of the Conservative Party once the withdrawal agreement is signed, and there will be a 'coronation' to replace her. That person will guide us through the negotiations for a trade agreement with the EU. It will be a major task to get it through before the end of the transition period. Highly likely to be a committed Brexiteer!

Yes that would be Mr Corbyn

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

'Democratic arithmetic'


Raab REJECTS second Brexit vote - 'Protest can't trump referendum'



Ah well never mind it was a lovely day and the buss was free.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/10...ic-Raab-latest

Not sure what a "buss" is I went on the train and paid for a ticket ..

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Yes that would be Mr Corbyn

Yup Mr Steptoe, the committed Leaver ..

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

What are you on about? Are you trying to draw a distinction between the proportion of the electorate that voted and the proportion that did not?

It is you who needs to be honest. The fact is, people were asked whether they wanted to leave or to stay. The majority who voted said they wanted to leave. It was made clear from the beginning that the decision of the electorate would be final.

That is precisely what is happening and remainers need to swallow that.

And what Mick said about there being very little support for your view at the last General Election is also true.

Please, stop daydreaming and get real, this nonsense has gone on long enough

*sigh*

You said:

you are not making the connection that the majority are in line with the view that the EU is bad for us

We all know, well almost all of us do, that only 37% of the *electorate* voted to Leave so please drop the "majority" rubbish.

Protecting jobs, the economy, etc. is not nonsense. It may be to you but not to me ..

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Not sure what a "buss" is I went on the train and paid for a ticket ..

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Yup Mr Steptoe, the committed Leaver ..

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*sigh*

You said:



We all know, well almost all of us do, that only 37% of the *electorate* voted to Leave so please drop the "majority" rubbish.

Protecting jobs, the economy, etc. is not nonsense. It may be to you but not to me ..

You know very well that the majority who voted said they wished to leave. You have absolutely no evidence for your apparent view that all those who failed to vote wanted to remain. The proportion of leavers and remainers was in all probability the same, except for those who do not involve themselves in politics at all and didn't care one way or another.

Protecting jobs and the economy is what we all want and your view that all this is in jeopardy is not accepted by those who voted to leave.

New trade deals and release from the bureaucratic and protectionist nature of the EU will do wonders for our economy. I'd take something for that depression if I were you, it's clouding your judgement!

[papa smurf]

[QUOTE=ianch99;35967605]Not sure what a "buss" is I went on the train and paid for a ticket ..[COLOR="Silver"]

Money well wasted, well done you, did you take a banner/piece of old cardboard box that you had crayoned on.



buss is a term used in the "aina" or in other words the hawaiian islands to describe the state of being high/drunk out of your mind.


A bus is a thing you can moan about after a losing referendum.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Yes that would be Mr Corbyn

Corbyn doesn't know his arse from his elbow and couldn't organise a nosh up in a chip shop. He could get others to organise a good demo, though.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Corbyn doesn't know his arse from his elbow and couldn't organise a nosh up in a chip shop.

Sounds qualified for the job then !

Let's face it this is tearing the Tories apart, which is a minor consolation in the current shambles. When the Brexit hangover comes, Jeremy will be there to pick up the pieces, enjoy

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Sounds qualified for the job then !

Let's face it this is tearing the Tories apart, which is a minor consolation in the current shambles. When the Brexit hangover comes, Jeremy will be there to pick up the pieces, enjoy

The Conservatives are arguing mainly about whether we should have a Brexit with or without a deal.

I'm afraid Labour don't know what they want, and with Corbyn at the helm, they are rudderless. The divisions on this subject are not confined to the Conservatives, contrary to what you might have us believe, Mr K.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The Conservatives are arguing mainly about whether we should have a Brexit with or without a deal.

The Conservatives are arguing about everything. The latest one was on murdering the Prime Minister ! Very House of Cards lt'll all make a smashing mini-series sometime

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Protecting jobs and the economy is what we all want and your view that all this is in jeopardy is not accepted by those who voted to leave.

If you truly believed that you would be sticking up for British business and advocating a remain vote. Instead, you're aligning yourself with the far right and far left in advocating we leave the EU. You're ignoring evidence that it will harm the economy as your views would have to change and instead brush it away.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

The Conservatives are arguing about everything. The latest one was on murdering the Prime Minister ! Very House of Cards lt'll all make a smashing mini-series sometime

Really horrible. We've joked about extremists in the past but sadly reality is worse than fiction here. the Conservative Party needs to get a grip on such people.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Jeremy will be there to pick up the pieces, enjoy

He has to get elected first and current polling has him/Labour behind the Tories, despite all the shenanigans in the Tory Party.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

He has to get elected first and current polling has him/Labour behind the Tories, despite all the shenanigans in the Tory Party.

Ah, but you don't believe in polls Mick ! Or does it depend on what the poll says ?

Has to be said Labour were a distance behind the Tories at start of the last election, but that closed dramatically during the campaign and which ended up making TM very 'weak and unstable' - she's never recovered. Brexit fall out is the extra random factor next time. If things don't go well, then rightly or wrongly, those in power, get the blame.

RTE are reporting that the EU will offer may the UK-wide customs union but have it as a separate arrangement.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/...006113-brexit/

The EU will offer British Prime Theresa May a UK-wide customs union as a way around the Irish backstop issue, but it will have to be negotiated beyond the Withdrawal Agreement as a separate treaty, RTÉ News understands.

The Withdrawal Agreement will contain a specific commitment to a UK-wide customs arrangement by way of a legal article, but that commitment will say that a formal EU-UK customs union will require a separate agreement.

However, the EU, and the Irish Government still insist that a Northern Ireland-specific backstop remains in place, even if a separate UK-wide customs arrangement is negotiated.

London has long sought a UK-wide customs arrangement as a way to avoid customs checks on both the Irish land border and along the Irish Sea.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Ah, but you don't believe in polls Mick ! Or does it depend on what the poll says ?

Has to be said Labour were a distance behind the Tories at start of the last election, but that closed dramatically during the campaign and which ended up making TM very 'weak and unstable' - she's never recovered. Brexit fall out is the extra random factor next time. If things don't go well, then rightly or wrongly, those in power, get the blame.

I do not believe in polls for specific reasons, but that does not mean the information I have posted is irrelevant and by crikey, all the crap going on in the Tory party with Theresa May, Labour should be leaps and bounds ahead in the polls, there is trends, not all of them are accurate and it is this why I do not trust polls completely, less so with Media polls who have a biased agenda.

But because it's the terrible trio, McDonnell, Abbott and Corbyn, why Labour are polling behind the Tories - they should be well ahead and they would be with a different leader and shadow cabinet.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Damien

RTE are reporting that the EU will offer may the UK-wide customs union but have it as a separate arrangement.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/...006113-brexit/

as I said before no deal getting closer everyday as both side seem to be hardening on backstop