Brexit

Originally Posted by papa smurf

What about this idiot?
A CHARITY boss has been suspended as part of an investigation into a Twitter post about the milkshake attack against Nigel Farage which read “I’d prefer ACID”.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...weet-milkshake

Well keyboard warriors are less surprising.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Damien

Well keyboard warriors are less surprising.

How long before some nutter actually throws acid? the police and courts need to get on top of this before someone is seriously injured or killed.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

How long before some nutter actually throws acid? the police and courts need to get on top of this before someone is seriously injured or killed.

Nothing has been learned sadly since the Jo Cox murder.

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48357017

She is as duplicitous as she comes, that said, her WA, is still dead, she has just offered an incentive to stop Brexit if they vote against WA, so a raft of MPs including SNP have just tweeted they will do that then.

Lib Dems: Don't trust her, her carrot dangling of a second referendum, after WA is agreed not enough. Looks like they will vote against it too.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

That's not how our Criminal Justice system works - he can't press charges; if the police decide a crime has been committed, it then goes to the Crown Prosecution Service to see if there is enough evidence to take it to trial.

(I think there is more than enough evidence, but NF can't "press charges" under the UK Law system).

He can certainly take a civil action for damages, and if the person is found guilty of assault in a criminal court where the burden of proof is much higher, then he will certainly lose any case brought against him in a civil court.

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Originally Posted by Mick

She is as duplicitous as she comes, that said, her WA, is still dead, she has just offered an incentive to stop Brexit if they vote against WA, so a raft of MPs including SNP have just tweeted they will do that then.

Lib Dems: Don't trust her, her carrot dangling of a second referendum, after WA is agreed not enough. Looks like they will vote against it too.

you're right it still won't get over the line.

The backstop is still there, so DUP wont vote for it, or many Tories because of that.
It's still Brexit so Lib-Dems wont vote for it, nor will SNP and Nor will the one Green.
Labour will be told not to vote for it, a handful still will but that's all.
There's no way enough Tories will vote for it.

It's dead, I don't know why she's bothering.

She should go, Tories need to get a Leaver in charge that can rip up the WA, go back to Brussels and get and get a deal that can get the support of parliament but I fear that is impossible.

The only Brexit can be delivered, if it is to be delivered is leave with no deal and negotiate our future relationship from outside the EU, and call everyones bluff on the N.I. issue I the process.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

She is as duplicitous as she comes, that said, her WA, is still dead, she has just offered an incentive to stop Brexit if they vote against WA, so a raft of MPs including SNP have just tweeted they will do that then.

Lib Dems: Don't trust her, her carrot dangling of a second referendum, after WA is agreed not enough. Looks like they will vote against it too.

Guess she's gambling, she might get enough Labour MPs to pass it, and then gambling again Parliament will vote against a referendum. Hell of a gamble but she's got nothing to lose.

Anyway what's wrong with another Referendum, Leave will win easily won't it ? Granted it'll be BRINO, but better than nothing and we'll be out of the 'corrupt' EU with a deal that has the worst of all worlds and leaves us worse off. At least you'll be able to claim 'we won' so that's the main thing

Originally Posted by Mr K

Guess she's gambling, she might get enough Labour MPs to pass it, and then gambling again Parliament will vote against a referendum. Hell of a gamble but she's got nothing to lose.

Anyway what's wrong with another Referendum, Leave will win easily won't it ? Granted it'll be BRINO, but better than nothing and we'll be out of the 'corrupt' EU with a deal that has the worst of all worlds and leaves us worse off. At least you'll be able to claim 'we won' so that's the main thing

Depends on the question.

May's deal (Which is still remaining in EU but worse) vs. Remain, is not a legitimate referendum to leave the EU.

It would have to be May's Deal vs. No deal.

Remain should not be an option - this has already been dealt with in 2016 Referendum.

Anyway, JC just issued Statement saying PM's offer isn't enough and will be voted against.

As it stands, WA is dead, as is her Premiership. Her resignation will now be expedited.

I can thank her for one thing though today, she has probably brought more votes to Brexit Party this Thursday. Cheers May.

Robert Peston
@Peston
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3m ago

Senior Labour people - frontbenchers - all tell me PM has offered far too little and therefore party will vote against
@theresa_may’s Brexit deal for fourth and final time. Deal is surely dead

It is, as is her premiership.

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Brexit Party rally tonight at Olympia, London at 7pm doors opened less than an hour ago and the queue to get in, is very very long (This is in Remain territory, in London btw)

https://twitter.com/LubosTomicekCom/...87075602063360

Originally Posted by Mick

Brexit Party rally tonight at Olympia, London at 7pm doors opened less than an hour ago and the queue to get in, is very very long (This is in Remain territory, in London btw)

https://twitter.com/LubosTomicekCom/...87075602063360

London is obviously 'Remain territory' but it still has Brexit voters and in a city of 8 million that's a lot of voters. There are probably more Brexit voters in London than any other equivalent area in Britain simply because of the popularity density.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

How long before some nutter actually throws acid? the police and courts need to get on top of this before someone is seriously injured or killed.

The problem is (partly) the language we use. I do not respect Farage and think he is a bad thing for the country. However I don't think he is a fascist and he is entitled to use the political system. When we call people fascists or traitors and present them as an existential threat then we end up legitimatising attacks on them.

People need to calm down.

At the same time I don't want to go overboard. Egging has been around for a while without leading to escalation, he just need to be careful it doesn't start.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Brexit Party rally tonight at Olympia, London at 7pm doors opened less than an hour ago and the queue to get in, is very very long (This is in Remain territory, in London btw)

https://twitter.com/LubosTomicekCom/...87075602063360

Originally Posted by Damien

London is obviously 'Remain territory' but it still has Brexit voters and in a city of 8 million that's a lot of voters. There are probably more Brexit voters in London than any other equivalent area in Britain simply because of the popularity density.

Nah, it's a poor telly night and the football season has finished....

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

The problem is (partly) the language we use. I do not respect Farage and think he is a bad thing for the country. However I don't think he is a fascist and he is entitled to use the political system. When we call people fascists or traitors and present them as an existential threat then we end up legitimatising attacks on them.

People need to calm down.

At the same time I don't want to go overboard. Egging has been around for a while without leading to escalation, he just need to be careful it doesn't start.

Pro-Brexit MP David Davis is being interviewed by the BBC here on the rise in abuse that MPs face...and is then harassed by a hard Brexiter. Shows the pressure that MPs are under. Davis wears a body camera to record the abuse het gets.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wal...g-tv-interview

[Angua]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Pro-Brexit MP David Davis is being interviewed by the BBC here on the rise in abuse that MPs face...and is then harassed by a hard Brexiter. Shows the pressure that MPs are under. Davis wears a body camera to record the abuse het gets.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wal...g-tv-interview

The woman clearly just wanted to spout off and rant, as she was not prepared to listen. (She also sounded slightly Australian to me).

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Damien

I don't understand why you get so invested in politicians to the point you deem it a personal affront if people criticise them.

I get annoyed when we are discussing Brexit, for example, and when people run out of arguments they go for character assassination instead. The complaint made about his expenses has not been proven, but in the eyes of some, any old mud thrown at him will stick.

The thing some remainers find hard to grasp is that whatever the faults (or alleged faults) of the man, most Brexiteers agree with the views he expresses. He does express them very well, too.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I get annoyed when we are discussing Brexit, for example, and when people run out of arguments they go for character assassination instead. The complaint made about his expenses has not been proven, but in the eyes of some, any old mud thrown at him will stick.

The thing some remainers find hard to grasp is that whatever the faults (or alleged faults) of the man, most Brexiteers agree with the views he expresses. He does express them very well, too.

Not taking sides here but character assassination seems to be one of the tactics on both sides of the fence and to be frankly honest its quite pathetic.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I get annoyed when we are discussing Brexit, for example, and when people run out of arguments they go for character assassination instead. The complaint made about his expenses has not been proven, but in the eyes of some, any old mud thrown at him will stick.

The thing some remainers find hard to grasp is that whatever the faults (or alleged faults) of the man, most Brexiteers agree with the views he expresses. He does express them very well, too.

The Electoral commission just spent 7 hrs pouring over the Brexit Party accounts and have found nothing amiss. Funny how not much has been reported about that.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Guess she's gambling, she might get enough Labour MPs to pass it, and then gambling again Parliament will vote against a referendum. Hell of a gamble but she's got nothing to lose.

Anyway what's wrong with another Referendum, Leave will win easily won't it ? Granted it'll be BRINO, but better than nothing and we'll be out of the 'corrupt' EU with a deal that has the worst of all worlds and leaves us worse off. At least you'll be able to claim 'we won' so that's the main thing

There, you've said it. The referendum will ask the public whether they want to stay or take Brino. A majority of the electorate voted for Brexit. Where's that option?

You cannot legitimately fault Brexit voting electors for not wanting another referendum. It's a stitch-up and the Government would never be forgiven for such an outcome.

Democracy is at stake here. Give us a leader who can deliver Brexit. That's what was voted for and that's what we want.