UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal - Page 84

nomadking · 12-10-2019, 21:21

Any peace in Europe was down to a combination of WW2 happening and general change in Western societies. By the 1960s, no matter what, it was unlikely for there to be a Western European war.

Pierre · 12-10-2019, 22:12

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, not to undervalue Churchill and Britain’s contribution to the Allied War effort, but he did not "win the war for us" - Britain won the war as part of an Alliance of nations, and Russia had a major part in taking on the Nazis, bogging them down on the Eastern Front, draining men and materiel from the Western Front.

Of course Churchill didn’t win the war for us, he knew the one and only way we could win the war was to have the Americans join. That was his one and only plan. He got it by complete luck. The Russians had been demanding a second Western front be established for years before we finally got around to the Normandy landings.

What Churchill did was keep us in the game, he oversaw a successful North Africa campaign, showed to the USA we were a viable force to partner with.

Roosevelt and Churchill had been looking for a viable reason for the USA to enter for years, god bless Yamamoto.

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And America made us pay a heavy price for it. The end of Empire and our place as a superpower. A financial system pegged to the dollar.

It was over before WWII, WWI is what bankrupted the nation, and what the USA profited from that set them up for the next century.

**Hugh** · 13-10-2019, 01:41

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No nothing like him.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29701767

Proven liar, adulterer, and philander - Churchill was none of these things.

Nice try at besmirching our wartime leader, though - I thought you were a supporter of his...

OLD BOY · 13-10-2019, 02:51

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Proven liar, adulterer, and philander - Churchill was none of these things.

Nice try at besmirching our wartime leader, though - I thought you were a supporter of his...

If he was, we would not know about it. Everything is public now, it wasn't then. How do you think Lloyd George would go down these days?

Can we not stick to the policies instead of character assassination? Oh, sorry, that was your whole argument....

papa smurf · 13-10-2019, 09:08

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Proven liar, adulterer, and philander - Churchill was none of these things.

Nice try at besmirching our wartime leader, though - I thought you were a supporter of his...

It is considered impolite to shoot the messenger

,no one is besmirching anyone just posting facts about Churchill,i wasn't even born when ww2 was being fought so i can't claim to be a supporter of Churchill or any other person in that era as i didn't exist.
Nice try turning it onto me but no coconut this time.

**Maggy** · 13-10-2019, 09:16

Get back on topic...

TheDaddy · 13-10-2019, 17:42

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I just don't care anymore..I'm sick of the whole boiling bunch in the HoC..

That's probably how the vast majority of this country feel but we're left in limbo because a few ideologues and zealots refuse to compromise or accept anything other than their own particular vision of leaving or remaining and absolutely nothing else will do, to hell with the consequences, health, housing, jobs can all stagnate in the mean time, a pox on all their houses imo

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But Boris voted against Mays deal

. Wonder if May will vote against now

He also voted for it iirc...

nomadking · 13-10-2019, 17:47

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That's probably how the vast majority of this country feel but we're left in limbo because a few ideologues and zealots refuse to compromise or accept anything other than their own particular vision of leaving or remaining and absolutely nothing else will do, to hell with the consequences, health, housing, jobs can all stagnate in the mean time, a pox on all their houses imo

He also voted for it iirc...

So what compromises have the the EU or Remainers ever accepted or even suggested?

It's all been their way or else, from them.

Pierre · 13-10-2019, 19:48

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

That's probably how the vast majority of this country feel but we're left in limbo because a few ideologues and zealots refuse to compromise or accept anything other than their own particular vision of leaving or remaining and absolutely nothing else will do, to hell with the consequences, health, housing, jobs can all stagnate in the mean time, a pox on all their houses imo

MPs of all colours guilty of that, Corbyn being the worst.

1andrew1 · 13-10-2019, 21:18

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Originally Posted by nomadking

So what compromises have the the EU or Remainers ever accepted or even suggested?

It's all been their way or else, from them.

The EU suggested an Ireland-only backstop. Theresa May requested it be extended to the UK. It was quite a compromise for the EU to extend it.

nomadking · 13-10-2019, 21:29

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The EU suggested an Ireland-only backstop. Theresa May requested it be extended to the UK. It was quite a compromise for the EU to extend it.

And that's your idea of a compromise?

It just extends the EU's sphere of influence.

1andrew1 · 13-10-2019, 21:34

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And that's your idea of a compromise?

It just extends the EU's sphere of influence.

It's not my idea of a compromise, it is a compromise.

nomadking · 13-10-2019, 21:43

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It's not my idea of a compromise, it is a compromise.

Being handed more than you asked for, is anything but a compromise.

1andrew1 · 13-10-2019, 22:01

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Being handed more than you asked for, is anything but a compromise.

To give the terms that it gave NI to the whole of the UK was a compromise as it gave the whole of the UK an advantage compared to being a non-member. And the EU has extended the date that the UK leaves. It could have insisted on a 31/3 withdrawal date.

TheDaddy · 13-10-2019, 22:06

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Originally Posted by nomadking

So what compromises have the the EU or Remainers ever accepted or even suggested?

It's all been their way or else, from them.

Give it a rest, I think the majority of us are sick of the them and us bs, I know I am. can't believe I've been sucked back into this thread, think I'll unsubscribe and leave you to it. Was also thinking of suggesting the fanatics in parliament just duel it out, it's the only way to settle it for cerrain and as an added bonus it'll save us all getting very bored.