The state benefits system mega-thread.

[Jimi]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

Would seem obvious to ATOS that they are unfit for work then

just replying

Wrong,I was in hospital last year and was chatting to a doctor who was an In Patient himself.
He told me he was totally dismayed by the amount of times he'd mark a patient unfit for work only for Atos to go behind his back and mark that patient fit for work.
As an aside,3 weeks ago my bro in law died.
He'd been going back and forward at least twice a year to Freemans hospital in Newcastle after having a lung transplant.
He was on 4 bottles of oxygen a day then it increased to 8,Atos unbelievably asked him to go for a medical,Christ Almighty he could hardly walk 10 yards!!!
Did Atos give a damn about his health records they received from his own GP?
Nope.

Originally Posted by Jimi

Wrong,I was in hospital last year and was chatting to a doctor who was an In Patient himself.
He told me he was totally dismayed by the amount of times he'd mark a patient unfit for work only for Atos to go behind his back and mark that patient fit for work.
As an aside,3 weeks ago my bro in law died.
He'd been going back and forward at least twice a year to Freemans hospital in Newcastle after having a lung transplant.
He was on 4 bottles of oxygen a day then it increased to 8,Atos unbelievably asked him to go for a medical,Christ Almighty he could hardly walk 10 yards!!!
Did Atos give a damn about his health records they received from his own GP?
Nope.

that was a sarcastic reply. If you look back you will see I am against ATOS and all who sail in her

[Jimi]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

that was a sarcastic reply. If you look back you will see I am against ATOS and all who sail in her

I do apologise mate.

In answer to the what do we do people we hand testing over to the one body in this country with the expertise to make accurate assessments based on years of evidence the NHS. It's not rocket science but it won't happen because the government knows that proper doctors won't sign people as fit to work when they are not something ATOS has no problem doing.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by nomadking

So there shouldn't be any tests and there were no tests before?

BiB it is ironic that aspect would be from the bogus hysteria about ATOS and the tests.

Suppose this is bogus to

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35544859-post118.html

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Suppose this is bogus to

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35544859-post118.html

I think some are to scared to see what is happening to people

Just had my email from disability and work and apparently appeals have double for the same period last year and 42 % are being upheld. That is a hell of a lot of people given the wrong results.

93000 esa appeals nearly 40000 upheld that is 160 000 a year if it continues wonder how much a tribunal costs ? even if its only £200 ( bet its more than that) that is £32 million spent on appeals when a proper medical and assessment would have saved it. But there were 93000 so make it a conservative average say 300 000 a year @ £200 each is £60 million pounds

Now lets break it down again to claimants one claimant gets around 6500 a year on full ESA so that is 9230 ESA claimants money for a whole year gone and 4500 years money totally wasted on poor assessment

And them figures are low due to me only saying a tribunal costs 200 quid

Not a bad guess as The Independent says tribunals cost 66 million http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-8724779.html

[Escapee]

Here are a couple of high profile cases of benefit fraud from my little town.

The first one is a case from this month involving £100k of benefit fraud.

http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/new..._cheat_jailed/

The second from last December involving £108k of benefit fraud.

http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/new...of_Wellington/

One wonders if my little town contains all the benefit fraudsters or if this is happening all over the country

the partner living somewhere else is a common one I am afraid it allows one to work while the other claims and is wrong

[peanut]

The long-term unemployed are to be told they must do an unpaid full-time job or be stripped of their benefits.

Link - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-jobless.html

Yeah right, good luck with implementing that one. IDS is in a league of his own.

Not enough jobs to go around so they make the unemployed do jobs that do not exist or could be done by a proper employee. All this will do is raise unemployment as councils sack their bin men gardeners and cleaners and instead have unemployed do it for free

Give the long term unemployed decent bloody training not work experience or community service where they will just do a half assed job anyway. Give them a chance to better themselves its not rocket science

[peanut]

Makes you wonder if they'll wear yellow boiler suits with unemployed written on their backs when they 'community service'.

Originally Posted by peanut

Makes you wonder if they'll wear yellow boiler suits with unemployed written on their backs when they 'community service'.

who knows they may just give them the red make them look like criminals just to appease the its all the scroungers fault crew

This is just another attack on the easiest target just to post figures again

less than 5 billion on JSA 15 times less than State pension and only 5 times more than the EU has demanded in extra payments this year due to being skint. Oh and less than half of what has been given away in aid.

[dilli-theclaw]

They just said on ch5 that it will include those on 'incapacity benefits' - that will be interesting.

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

They just said on ch5 that it will include those on 'incapacity benefits' - that will be interesting.

Hmmm wonder how they will make people even ATOS say are to sick to work work .

LOL all they will achieve with this is a rise in unemployment they must be jackassess not to see it