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**Hugh** · 28-10-2021, 21:06

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arrr the goldilocks paradox. Everything just right anyone could have thought it was all made for us

you are right there is no conflict between science and religion there is conflict between people and their conflicting views and how they deal with that.

I have no issue with anyone elses belief. If a scientist knocked on my door and wanted to discuss their beliefs with me I would enjoy the conversation.

Sometimes when I knock someones door ( not happened since the pandemic ) I have often been greeted with anger and hostility. You have seen a taste of it here with the use of the word impose. I am not trying to force anything upon anyone. I am offering a message of hope and come with love in my heart. They can refuse to listen or say they are to busy and off I would trot onto the next door. I am not asking for money or trying to scam them just trying to be a friend.

My point from when I joined in on this topic when I said about the atheist imposing their view. I offer my view kindly they often offer theirs in anger or disdain

Casuistry - equating science with religion, when one is based on observable, measurable, repeatable phenomena, and the other isn’t…

I see the same wordplay and twisting on the JW site, with questions such as

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CLAIM: Humans evolved from animals.

3. If humans evolved from animals—from apes, for example—why is there such a huge gap between the intellectual abilities of humans and those of apes?

This is deliberately misleading, as Evolutionists do not claim that humans evolved from apes - they state the evidence shows we have common ancestors, and the different branches of Hominids evolved along different paths.

Jaymoss · 28-10-2021, 21:24

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Casuistry - equating science with religion, when one is based on observable, measurable, repeatable phenomena, and the other isn’t…

I see the same wordplay and twisting on the JW site, with questions such as

This is deliberately misleading, as Evolutionists do not claim that humans evolved from apes - they state the evidence shows we have common ancestors, and the different branches of Hominids evolved along different paths.

Did anyone see the big bang? did anyone see the primeval swamp? has anyone seen dark matter or dark energy the invented things when the whole theory of the big bang starts falling on its butt? Science keeps updating so how much of what you think is real will be proven otherwise in the future?

When I was a child they talked of a missing link that now is thought never existed so as I said it all could so easily be wrong. You believe in the THEORY of evolution I believe in the THEORY of creation.

Incidentally I see no one has jumped on my thoughts on infinity and given me a scientific spin on that hey

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If this one miraculous single celled organism in a primeval swamp millions and millions of years ago evolved to adapt to its environment why is there so much variety? I just do not buy it

**Hugh** · 28-10-2021, 21:28

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Did anyone see the big bang? did anyone see the primeval swamp? has anyone seen dark matter or dark energy the invented things when the whole theory of the big bang starts falling on its butt? Science keeps updating so how much of what you think is real will be proven otherwise in the future?

When I was a child they talked of a missing link that now is thought never existed so as I said it all could so easily be wrong. You believe in the THEORY of evolution I believe in the THEORY of creation.

Incidentally I see no one has jumped on my thoughts on infinity and given me a scientific spin on that hey

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If this one miraculous single celled organism in a primeval swamp millions and millions of years ago evolved to adapt to its environment why is there so much variety? I just do not buy it

Hope this helps…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guide...mnb/revision/1

According to your line of "reasoning", if someone hasn’t actually been to Australia, it is perfectly valid for them to state that it doesn’t exist…

**Damien** · 28-10-2021, 21:42

The Big Bang and Evolution are not treated the same in science. Different scientific theories have different levels of confidence.

The Big Bang is currently the most widely supported theory for how this Universe started with most of what we understand about it to be consistent with the universe we can observe. It explains what we do know such as the fact galaxies are moving apart from each other, the energy that would have been required to create the matter we know of and the Cosmic Microwave Background.

But the Big Band remains the best-accepted theory and is not considered proven. It's just the one that has the most evidence so far.

Evolution is much further along.

They're all called theories though because it's an explanation of how things work. It's still called 'the theory of gravity' for example.

**Chris** · 28-10-2021, 21:48

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The Big Bang and Evolution are not treated the same in science. Different scientific theories have different levels of confidence.

The Big Bang is currently the most widely supported theory for how this Universe started with most of what we understand about it to be consistent with the universe we can observe. It explains what we do know such as the fact galaxies are moving apart from each other, the energy that would have been required to create the matter we know of and the Cosmic Microwave Background.

But the Big Band remains the best-accepted theory and is not considered proven. It's just the one that has the most evidence so far.

Evolution is much further along.

They're all called theories though because it's an explanation of how things work. It's still called 'the theory of gravity' for example.

Only a fool denies the existence of Glenn Miller.

Jaymoss · 28-10-2021, 21:52

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Hope this helps…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guide...mnb/revision/1

According to your line of "reasoning", if someone hasn’t actually been to Australia, it is perfectly valid for them to state that it doesn’t exist…

and infinity?

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Originally Posted by Damien

The Big Bang and Evolution are not treated the same in science. Different scientific theories have different levels of confidence.

The Big Bang is currently the most widely supported theory for how this Universe started with most of what we understand about it to be consistent with the universe we can observe. It explains what we do know such as the fact galaxies are moving apart from each other, the energy that would have been required to create the matter we know of and the Cosmic Microwave Background.

But the Big Band remains the best-accepted theory and is not considered proven. It's just the one that has the most evidence so far.

Evolution is much further along.

They're all called theories though because it's an explanation of how things work. It's still called 'the theory of gravity' for example.

and infinity ?

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and of the day I cannot prove you are wrong and you cannot prove you are right and neither can you me.

If I am right there is a future for us to look forward to. If you are right we only have death

**Damien** · 28-10-2021, 22:04

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and infinity ?

We don't know if the universe is infinite or not. All we know is our observable universe is finite (because we can only see so far!)

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and of the day I cannot prove you are wrong and you cannot prove you are right and neither can you me.

I am not trying to prove you wrong and it's not 'me' who'll ever be proven right as these are not my questions to answer.

I am just trying to point out to you what is actually believed about the theories of evolution and the big bang and what the definition of 'theory' is.

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If I am right there is a future for us to look forward to. If you are right we only have death

On the plus side if I am right this thread won't go on forever....

Jaymoss · 28-10-2021, 22:17

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We don't know if the universe is infinite or not. All we know is our observable universe is finite (because we can only see so far!)

I am not trying to prove you wrong and it's not 'me' who'll ever be proven right as these are not my questions to answer.

I am just trying to point out to you what is actually believed about the theories of evolution and the big bang and what the definition of 'theory' is.

On the plus side if I am right this thread won't go on forever....

if it is not then what is it in?

papa smurf · 28-10-2021, 22:27

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if it is not then what is it in?

our entire universe could be inside a crouton floating in a bowl of soup in another universe

Carth · 28-10-2021, 22:27

Infinity is much farther than faith, science or imagination can take you . .

all I know is . . it has no boundaries

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our entire universe could be inside a crouton floating in a bowl of soup in another universe

I prefer the mirror in a brothel version

Jaymoss · 28-10-2021, 22:33

yes but if you read this thread I have had replies trying to tell me scientific theory is reality and so on when let's face it science has not even scratched the balls of reality yet

Carth · 28-10-2021, 22:44

Is there actually a reality?

. . in fact, do any of you exist and I'm creating my own past present and future to fill the void?

papa smurf · 28-10-2021, 22:47

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yes but if you read this thread I have had replies trying to tell me scientific theory is reality and so on when let's face it science has not even scratched the balls of reality yet

But has organised religion "scratched the balls of reality yet" ?

Julian · 28-10-2021, 22:57

All this talk about infinity is interesting but what about the bit beyond infinity that Mr Lightyear frequents?

Carth · 28-10-2021, 23:01

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All this talk about infinity is interesting but what about the bit beyond infinity that Mr Lightyear frequents?

I'm not sure we can travel beyond infinity, though if we did manage it, would we end up at the beginning again . . the infinite loop theory?