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Football's a tough environment with coin-throwing, abusive shouting and previously, banana-throwing. And racist chants are rife in some countries still.
But I'm sure you're not suggesting that black players get an easy ride but white players are expected to just grin and bear it?
Their complaints are taken on board, but White players have to put up with the taunts, and don't really have any avenue to pursue. The reason for the taunts is the SAME. That being so, then both sets should be treated the SAME. That is equality. Do the White players try to get fans or even whole clubs banned? Of course not. In my example, did Howard Gayle try to get the fans banned? No, he recognised it for what it was, ie taunts to try and put him off. If there had been something that could've been aimed at a White player as a taunt, then it would've been.
I've explained that it's not binary and you would have to examine the context. For example, if a record producer sang it the singer to emphasise a different way of singing a verse, then that would not be offensive. However, if a known white racist sang it then that would likely be offensive. It's about empathy and putting yourself in another's shoes - not looking for a binary answer to nuanced issues.
How about this then? Apparently it was wrong because "No, it was made to be sung by Carmen Twillie and Lebo M. and an African choir."
My answer remains - it's about empathy and putting yourself in another's shoes - not looking for a binary answer to nuanced issues.
So we have to all bow or kneel down to their every whim and demand, no matter matter how frivolous or ridiculous? That is what it amounts to.
Do White people have to stop walking etc in the countryside, because BAME bullies claim they are somehow excluded?
So we have to all bow or kneel down to their every whim and demand, no matter matter how frivolous or ridiculous? That is what it amounts to.
Do White people have to stop walking etc in the countryside, because BAME bullies claim they are somehow excluded?
You're going off-piste into the world of strawmen. I've not said this. I've given you the basic principles to apply as has Hugh.
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You're going off-piste into the world of strawmen. I've not said this. I've given you the basic principles to apply as has Hugh.
You could do better than pray Hugh in aid. Nomad's logic is a reasonable since your call for empathy, if implemented, would lead to people thinking twice about doing anything in case the BAME feel inhibited.
You could do better than pray Hugh in aid. Nomad's logic is a reasonable since your call for empathy, if implemented, would lead to people thinking twice about doing anything in case the BAME feel inhibited.
Citing previous posts is common sense and saves reinventing the wheel and boring the poor thread-followers.
Going to the countryside - if you can't see this as an out and out strawman then there's little I can realistically do to help.
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Citing previous posts is common sense and saves reinventing the wheel and boring the poor thread-followers.
Going to the countryside - if you can't see this as an out and out strawman then there's little I can realistically do to help.
One could accuse nearly everyone for putting up a straw man, including you:
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I've explained that it's not binary and you would have to examine the context. For example, if a record producer sang it the singer to emphasise a different way of singing a verse, then that would not be offensive. However, if a known white racist sang it then that would likely be offensive. It's about empathy and putting yourself in another's shoes - not looking for a binary answer to nuanced issues.
There's no difference between "for example" and "straw man" when arguing.
How about this then? Apparently it was wrong because "No, it was made to be sung by Carmen Twillie and Lebo M. and an African choir."
A small number of idiots making extreme remarks about this do not reflect mainstream reality, is just like the EDL and the BNP do not reflect how we in the UK think - it’s just a straw man argument.
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