UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[1andrew1]

In terms of our future relationship with the EU:

Coronavirus: ‘World has changed’ and harsh new immigration rules must be rethought, Tory MPs tell Boris Johnson
Ahead of the plans reaching the Commons on Monday, former ministers have spoken out about their fears for the NHS and social care, as well as tourism, hospitality and farming – one branding the rules “stupid”.
One Tory MP warned of “very serious consequences” if care homes – where a quarter of Covid-19 deaths have taken place – lose more staff, while a second pointed out that many hospital cleaners and porters are EU migrants.
Caroline Nokes, a former Home Office minister, called for urgent changes, telling The Independent: “If the last six weeks have shown us anything, it is that we are dependent upon workers from all round the globe, but in large numbers the EU, for many essential roles.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coron...cid=spartandhp

[Carth]

While thousands of our own sit at home doing naff all, not interested in working, and being paid (benefits) to do so . . .

oh hang on, I forgot they have rights too . . . and a 50" smart TV, the latest smart phone, nice car, holidays, free gas boiler checks, double glazing grants, etc


*oh shut up Carth, you can't change anything*

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Carth

While thousands of our own sit at home doing naff all, not interested in working, and being paid (benefits) to do so . . .

oh hang on, I forgot they have rights too . . . and a 50" smart TV, the latest smart phone, nice car, holidays, free gas boiler checks, double glazing grants, etc


*oh shut up Carth, you can't change anything*

According to your estimates there must be 6.3m of them , still there is nothing like idle talk.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by denphone

According to your estimates there must be 6.3m of them , still there is nothing like idle talk.

Excuse me?

Thousands doesn't sound like 6.3 million (unless you're Ms Abbott)

There are the genuine needy, and there are the scroungers, I know which lot I was thinking of

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Carth

Excuse me?

Thousands doesn't sound like 6.3 million (unless you're Ms Abbott)

There are the genuine needy, and there are the scroungers, I know which lot I was thinking of

Labours core voters.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

Thousands doesn't sound like 6.3 million (unless you're Ms Abbott)

You're a bit "previous Parliament". The new term is "unless you're Priti Patel" .

Ms Patel mistakenly said that there had been "three hundred thousand and thirty four, nine hundred and seventy four thousand" coronavirus tests in Britain.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...ases-deaths-UK

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You're a bit "previous Parliament". The new term is "unless you're Priti Patel" .


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...ases-deaths-UK

She was tongue tied (and priti dreadful).

[1andrew1]

More comedy gold from David Davis. He's just announced that the German car-makers are going to step in and sort out Brexit. Still believes that they need us more than we need them.

That an old article? - wasn’t that said 3 years ago, and the car makers disagreed?

https://www.politico.eu/article/germ...t-over-brexit/

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

More comedy gold from David Davis. He's just announced that the German car-makers are going to step in and sort out Brexit. Still believes that they need us more than we need them.

Well, if the measure relates to who exports more to whom, he's right, isn't he?
Let's not go over that old ground again, it will just end up with the same old bickering.

In the end, the EU is demanding from our government everything the electorate have rejected. It seems pretty obvious that unless the EU climb down, we will end up with no deal.If they genuinely want a deal, the EU will need to stop demanding something we are not prepared to concede. They had better be quick, tempus fugits. Tick, tock.

[jfman]

You can't post "let's not go over old ground" then make a series of exactly the same old tiresome arguments.

The key consideration lost is the absence of alternative products to a German car and the fact the average buyer probably wouldn't be put off by duties or taxes. Indeed the slump on the value of the pound would have pushed up the price of a German car yet it didn't cause the Eurozone to devalue the the Euro.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

The provisional Agreement that took 7 years to negotiate, and has not yet been ratified by all the EU Member States?

The one that integrates the EU's and Canada's commitments to apply international rules on workers' rights, environmental protection and climate action (and these obligations are binding)?

The one that does little for the trade in services and in particular almost nothing for the trade in financial services?

As we have discussed on many occasions, we are already working to EU standards, so negotiations are far less complicated and should be finalised one way or another before the end of the year.

What is your point about adherence to 'international rules on workers' rights, environmental protection and climate action? Are you implying that the government is not already party to those rules?

The Canada-style deal we are looking for relates to trade in goods. Negotiations on financial services are not included in that and are being negotiated in parallel.

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Originally Posted by jfman

Just believe, Hugh.

Cynic.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

In terms of our future relationship with the EU:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coron...cid=spartandhp

If we need foreign workers to support the NHS and caring services, the points based system will reflect that.

As I understand it, the government wants to give hope to people in our country who would like to do this work but are being denied it by foreign workers who are driving down wages.

I cannot see why some people want to carry on with this unfair system.

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Originally Posted by jfman

You can't post "let's not go over old ground" then make a series of exactly the same old tiresome arguments.

The key consideration lost is the absence of alternative products to a German car and the fact the average buyer probably wouldn't be put off by duties or taxes. Indeed the slump on the value of the pound would have pushed up the price of a German car yet it didn't cause the Eurozone to devalue the the Euro.

The fact that the EU is making demands that the government have rejected is current, not old ground.

If you believe that sales of German cars will not be affected by tariffs, believe on. If that is the case, it works both ways, so what are we worrying about? Trade will continue, and we have the advantage of paying less tariffs to the EU than they are paying to us.

Where's the problem?

"in parallel"?

You obviously missed the EU's stance on "cherry picking" - the EU approach is one single agreement with the UK, with two core parts: one on economic relations, including trade, and energy, fish and transport, and the second part will cover security.

btw, love the way you casually dismiss 41%* of our exports to the EU...

*services worth £121 billion in 2018,

[jfman]

If you believe that sales of German cars will not be affected by tariffs, believe on. If that is the case, it works both ways, so what are we worrying about? Trade will continue, and we have the advantage of paying less tariffs to the EU than they are paying to us.

Where's the problem?

Ah the straw man. I didn't say German car sales would be unaffected, I simply said they had proven to hold up despite significant currency fluctuation. A statement of fact.

You erroneously assume all products are like for like in the marketplace (textbook economics) and that Britain's trade to the EU isn't readily replaceable from within the EU.

German cars are very much not like for like with British made cars.

[OLD BOY]

Goods will be cheaper for our consumers under our own UK tariff deal.

https://www.lbcnews.co.uk/uk-news/go...global-tariff/