Coronavirus

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Welcome back to 1940’s continental Europe. Be prepared to be stopped by shady looking guys in leather trench coats and wire rimmed glasses asking for your “papers”

Now now, we’d never recruit so many people to work for the state nor pay for quality coats.

Trying to work out the precise rules and exemptions.

Originally Posted by Damien

Trying to work out the precise rules and exemptions.

I would not waste such time doing so, they may change by 10pm and then get walked back on Monday.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Damien

No. We said they couldn't break up the boroughs because of the transport links. London can be in whatever tier it needs to be but ALL of London has to be in it.

This is sensible for London though, if there has to be a tier 4 then London obviously has to be in it.

Apologies, you argued that because the average across all boroughs was low (despite two boroughs Havering & I can’t remember the other one having higher rates per 100,000 than tier 3 areas) that it shouldn’t be placed into tier 3

In retrospect would you still agree to that ?

Sensible, would have been to go into tier 3 instead of tier 2 your argument simply allowed London to become a Petri dish. And now the exodus will allow transmission across the country

[SnoopZ]

Originally Posted by Damien

Trying to work out the precise rules and exemptions.

Even harder for me for travelling to Wales.

From what i understand is the whole of Wales will be in tier 4 from midnight, which means no one from the UK can travel into tier 4 from tiers 1,2 or 3 and only then they can only doing it on Christmas Day from those tiers, so no overnight stays.

[Pierre]

Knee jerkery of the highest order. I’m afraid Boris has pretty much cashed all of the good will and support he’d built up.

There is no leadership here.

If they capitulate on Brexit that’ll be it for me.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

And now the exodus will allow transmission across the country

All the Cinderellas will leave the ball before midnight.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Knee jerkery of the highest order. I’m afraid Boris has pretty much cashed all of the good will and support he’d built up.

There is no leadership here.

If they capitulate on Brexit that’ll be it for me.

Given U.K. gov handling of COVID, do you expect them to handle Brexit any better ?

(Genuinely interested to get your thoughts/views)

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Apologies, you argued that because the average across all boroughs was low (despite two boroughs Havering & I can’t remember the other one having higher rates per 100,000 than tier 3 areas) that it shouldn’t be placed into tier 3

I said that's why we were placed in tier 2. I didn't know if it's right or not. But my point is more that we had to all be in the same tier because it simply not how London functions to treat the boroughs as independent units.

At the time London has the same level of the virus as other tier 2 areas. Manchester had higher and has in tier 3. Liverpool had about the same and was tier 2.

I don't want to have this argument again but I agree with the decision that all of London is treated the same this time as well as we move into tier 4.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

In retrospect would you still agree to that ?

Sensible, would have been to go into tier 3 instead of tier 2 your argument simply allowed London to become a Petri dish. And now the exodus will allow transmission across the country

I think in retrospect London could have been placed in tier 3 but I also think there is evidence it wouldn't have mattered. Kent has also been bumped up to tier 4 from 3 despite already having been tier 3. All the home countries have been placed in tier 4 despite them having had lower cases than London when they were placed in tier 2.

In other words, I think that whilst London probably should have been in tier 3 I don't think it would have prevented this move into tier 4. Especially if it is because of this 'more transmissible' virus.

And it is what it is. It's disappointing but there is a global pandemic going around and for the first time since the original lockdown it's London which has the highest cases.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Knee jerkery of the highest order. I’m afraid Boris has pretty much cashed all of the good will and support he’d built up.

There is no leadership here.

If they capitulate on Brexit that’ll be it for me.

It's not even knee jerkery, that would imply they changed it as the numbers changed. Instead, they wait a few days and then do the same thing anyway.

[nomadking]

The main factor for the more severe rules is this new variant with the suggestion is spreads more easily.

Italy are doing the a bit of the same over Christmas and New Year.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55372491

Italy has ordered a nationwide lockdown over much of the Christmas and New Year period in an effort to combat a rise in coronavirus cases.

The country will be under "red-zone" restrictions over the public holidays, with non-essential shops, restaurants and bars closed, and Italians only allowed to travel for work, health and emergency reasons.

Limited home visits will be allowed.

The "red-zone" restrictions will be in place across Italy on 24 to 27 December, 31 December to 3 January, and 5 to 6 January.
During this period people "can leave the house only for reasons of work, necessity and health," Mr Conte said.

But, he added, the rules will allow people to receive a maximum of two guests, not including people under the age of 14, in their homes. A curfew from 22:00 to 05:00 will remain in place.

Slightly looser curbs will be in place from 28 to 30 December and on 4 January. On these days, people will be free to leave their houses but bars and restaurants will remain closed.

[papa smurf]

Lights out at 8pm -slop out at 6am -breakfast [porridge] 07-45 quick turn around the yard 08-30- followed by bang up until slop out 6am..........









HMP UK.

You've got to feel sorry for everyone who made Christmas plans in good faith though, and thought they'd be traveling to stay away from home with family (or receiving family). There are now freezers up and down the land with a turkey that's way too large, and others who have no Christmas dinner in the house at all because they thought they wouldn't need one. The supermarkets are going to be absolute pandemonium this week.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Chris

You've got to feel sorry for everyone who made Christmas plans in good faith though, and thought they'd be traveling to stay away from home with family (or receiving family). There are now freezers up and down the land with a turkey that's way too large, and others who have no Christmas dinner in the house at all because they thought they wouldn't need one. The supermarkets are going to be absolute pandemonium this week.

I do, I suspect however that the vast majority of people will say ‘screw you’

Meanwhile, in South America

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/cov...C42IHQQFE7NPM/

Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has gone on a bizarre rant about the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine, suggesting the unknown side effects could include turning people into alligators.

The far-right leader's rant, which has since gone viral, comes after he branded Covid-19 a "little flu".

This week, Bolsonaro insisted he will not be getting the vaccine.

"In the Pfizer contract it's very clear: 'we're not responsible for any side effects'. If you turn into a alligator, it's your problem," Brazil's president said on Thursday.