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Old 17-01-2018, 15:42   #16
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Re: France to loan Britain the Bayeux Tapestry

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Celts are British. English are Germanic.
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Old 17-01-2018, 15:58   #17
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Re: France to loan Britain the Bayeux Tapestry

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British Museum seems the logical place for most people to see it. Plus they probably are the best to handle it in terms of expertise and security. Hastings and Battle Abbey will be harder for those that live outside the area. That said another thing going to London might be politically difficult.
Battle Abbey would be a bit controversial due to the constant debate around the site actually being remotely associated with the physical location of the Battle of Hastings itself.

Modern analysis of the Chronicles of Battle Abbey suggest that it was built in a location other than that of the battlefield.
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Re: France to loan Britain the Bayeux Tapestry

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Celts are British. English are Germanic.
Correct Sir.

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The first people to be called 'English' were the Anglo-Saxons, a group of closely related Germanic tribes that began migrating to eastern and southern Great Britain, from southern Denmark and northern Germany, in the 5th century AD, after the Romans had withdrawn from Britain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people
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Re: France to loan Britain the Bayeux Tapestry

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Battle Abbey would be a bit controversial due to the constant debate around the site actually being remotely associated with the physical location of the Battle of Hastings itself.

Modern analysis of the Chronicles of Battle Abbey suggest that it was built in a location other than that of the battlefield.
Yup it's also a pain for anyone on the otherside of London to get too. Most train lines go into and out of major hubs and not pan across the nation. I can see it going to Hastings because it's a super-marginal seat occupied by the Home Secretary....
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Re: France to loan Britain the Bayeux Tapestry

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Celts are British. English are Germanic.
My point was that even the Celts came from somewhere else, even if they have been on the Islands longer than the Anglo-Saxons.

Considering most of the British Isles were under miles of ice at one point, everyone here will have ancestors who came from somewhere else. No-one will be 'native' to the UK.

The current thinking is that any populations that were around after the Ice Age were replaced by the 'Beaker people' who were migrants (or invaders) from Europe:

https://www.nature.com/news/ancient-...ritain-1.21996

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If true, this suggests that Britain’s Neolithic farmers (who left behind massive rock relics, including Stonehenge) were elbowed out by Beaker invaders. “To me, that’s definitely surprising,” says Pontus Skoglund, a population geneticist at Harvard Medical School in Boston, Massachusetts, who was not involved in the research. “The people who built Stonehenge probably didn’t contribute any ancestry to later people, or if they did, it was very little.”
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Re: France to loan Britain the Bayeux Tapestry

And William the Conqueror was of Nordic lineage.
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Re: France to loan Britain the Bayeux Tapestry

They could stick it on the side of a bus, that way everyone will be able to see it and comment on it.

. . . well it worked for
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Re: France to loan Britain the Bayeux Tapestry

Norman families got a significant foothold in Ireland, Scotland and South Wales so that "Celtic" lineage might not be quite as clear cut as it seems

The old adage is that the Fitz's (Fitzsimons, Fitzwilliam etc etc) and co. in Ireland ended up being more Irish than the Irish themselves.
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Re: France to loan Britain the Bayeux Tapestry

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My point was that even the Celts came from somewhere else, even if they have been on the Islands longer than the Anglo-Saxons.

Considering most of the British Isles were under miles of ice at one point, everyone here will have ancestors who came from somewhere else. No-one will be 'native' to the UK.

The current thinking is that any populations that were around after the Ice Age were replaced by the 'Beaker people' who were migrants (or invaders) from Europe:

https://www.nature.com/news/ancient-...ritain-1.21996
Anglo-Saxon is not an undesirable heritage, interlopers have always been tolerated by we British
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Re: France to loan Britain the Bayeux Tapestry

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Anglo-Saxon is not an undesirable heritage, interlopers have always been tolerated by we British
Except the Russians - we weren’t keen on them coming to visit us...
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What about the Picts?

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Picts are attested to in written records from before the Roman conquest of Britain to the 10th century, when they are thought to have merged with the Gaels. They lived to the north of the rivers Forth and Clyde, and spoke the now-extinct Pictish language, which is thought to have been closely related to the Celtic Brittonic language spoken by the Britons who lived to the south of them.
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Except the Russians - we weren’t keen on them coming to visit us...
Except the billionnaires .

Back on topic (before I get told off) we should commission a new e-tapestry depicting British achievement, not its 'defeat'. A day in 1066 doesn't define the most inventive, philanthropic and sophisticated people on Earth.
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Back on topic (before I get told off) we should commission a new e-tapestry depicting British achievement, not its 'defeat'. A day in 1066 doesn't define the most inventive, philanthropic and sophisticated people on Earth.
We've got a new one - pretty much sums up the current world situation too!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...demned-racist/
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Re: France to loan Britain the Bayeux Tapestry

I don't think we should accept it. Can you imagine the furore from the French if we ripped it?
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I don't think we should accept it. Can you imagine the furore from the French if we ripped it?
A good 100c boil wash and a flat iron before it goes on display, a display that will probably cost us millions.
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