Britain outside the EU

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nffc

The issue is basically you have two factions in NI, One wants it united with the UK, one with the ROI, this has been an issue kept under wraps for ages, and is the issue here again...

Yes, the easiest solution is to have the UK and Ireland both in the European Single Market and Customs Zone or both out of it. Complications start when the two countries go in different directions as they are doing now.

It's understandable that some have an issue with ECJ having jurisdiction over some trade aspects in NI but that's a requirement of being part of the European Single Market and one which we signed up to. There is no perfect solution here and I suspect most people would forgo pure sovereignty to keep peace in Northern Ireland.

Frost and pals being triggered by three initials in a deal he negotiated won't change this. Perhaps there can be a way to develop a disputes mechanism so that the ECJ is there in the last resort, but it will take a better relationship with the EU than we have at present to make this a reality.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by nffc

The issue is basically you have two factions in NI, One wants it united with the UK, one with the ROI, this has been an issue kept under wraps for ages, and is the issue here again...

... someone who understands the point I was making

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/conservati...1nc71h9qHpXvyk

A Conservative peer has called on the government to introduce special immigration rules to fix a shortage of au pairs.

Baroness Hodgson of Abinger told the House of Lords that Brexit had meant there was no visa route to bring au pairs to the UK.

Speaking in the House of Lords on Monday, she said the lack of au pairs would affect "hard-working families".

[jfman]

“Hard working families”

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jfman

“Hard working families”

yup - the ones who let foreigners do all the child care and housework

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

yup - the ones who let foreigners do all the child care and housework

Why can't they send their children to a boarding school like Wycombe Abbey or Eton like any normal parent does?

[Carth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Why can't they send their children to a boarding school like Wycombe Abbey or Eton like any normal parent does?

Not enough tutors, they're all training as au pairs


anyway, it's only 6 weeks ago that the media were screaming about food shortages and HGV driver shortages . . with all the hysteria that surrounded it.

Seems that M&S at least had no worries as their quarterly (13 weeks) profits are up . . thanks to food sales apparently

M&S sales surge as food helps Covid bounce back

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59231186

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Yes, the easiest solution is to have the UK and Ireland both in the European Single Market and Customs Zone or both out of it. Complications start when the two countries go in different directions as they are doing now.

It's understandable that some have an issue with ECJ having jurisdiction over some trade aspects in NI but that's a requirement of being part of the European Single Market and one which we signed up to. There is no perfect solution here and I suspect most people would forgo pure sovereignty to keep peace in Northern Ireland.

Frost and pals being triggered by three initials in a deal he negotiated won't change this. Perhaps there can be a way to develop a disputes mechanism so that the ECJ is there in the last resort, but it will take a better relationship with the EU than we have at present to make this a reality.

The really simple solution is the reunification of Ireland, which cannot be far off as the Catholic population increases ahead of the Protestant population. I’m not sure when the tipping point will come, but if my memory serves me correctly, it’s only a few years away.

In the 2011 census, the Protestants represented 48% of the population as against the Catholics at 45%. Although we can’t assume that all Catholics would vote for unification, most would, and so that time is likely to come fairly soon now.

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Originally Posted by jfman

“Hard working families”

It may have escaped your attention, but most people earning above average salaries are hard working.

You prove nothing by pointing to what a relatively small minority might do.

[Carth]

Ireland has been a mess for many years, to be honest it's almost as bad as the Israel/Palestine situation. It won't go away . . no matter how much it's talked about.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Carth

Ireland has been a mess for many years, to be honest it's almost as bad as the Israel/Palestine situation. It won't go away . . no matter how much it's talked about.

Except that Israel and Palestine will never be able to resolve their differences, certainly in my lifetime, whereas a referendum to join NI with the Republic of Ireland would indeed resolve most of the issues if it resulted in a ‘yes’ vote. Of course, the Protestants would have their noses put out of joint, but they would have to accept the majority decision in the end.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Except that Israel and Palestine will never be able to resolve their differences, certainly in my lifetime, whereas a referendum to join NI with the Republic of Ireland would indeed resolve most of the issues if it resulted in a ‘yes’ vote. Of course, the Protestants would have their noses put out of joint, but they would have to accept the majority decision in the end.

Apparently only 30% back reunification per this survey.
https://www.ark.ac.uk/nilt/2020/

[Carth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Except that Israel and Palestine will never be able to resolve their differences, certainly in my lifetime, whereas a referendum to join NI with the Republic of Ireland would indeed resolve most of the issues if it resulted in a ‘yes’ vote. Of course, the Protestants would have their noses put out of joint, but they would have to accept the majority decision in the end.

Maybe they'd have to accept a referendum decision, but they don't have to like it . . just look at the Brexit crap posted on here.

Those with a violent past/history probably won't settle for just words on the internet either

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Except that Israel and Palestine will never be able to resolve their differences, certainly in my lifetime, whereas a referendum to join NI with the Republic of Ireland would indeed resolve most of the issues if it resulted in a ‘yes’ vote. Of course, the Protestants would have their noses put out of joint, but they would have to accept the majority decision in the end.

Or start a civil war.

[1andrew1]

The lesson learnt from the Brexit negotiations and the Paterson affair is that when he's outgunned, Johnson retreats.

The EU will come down heavy on the UK if Lord Frost pushes forward with Article 16 and Johnson will do what he does best - back down and run for the hills. The group of what the Telegraph calls Spartans - has-beens and never-beens - who egg Johnson ever onwards into hard-line positions, will just have to accept reality.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The lesson learnt from the Brexit negotiations and the Paterson affair is that when he's outgunned, Johnson retreats.

The EU will come down heavy on the UK if Lord Frost pushes forward with Article 16 and Johnson will do what he does best - back down and run for the hills. The group of what the Telegraph calls Spartans - has-beens and never-beens - who egg Johnson ever onwards into hard-line positions, will just have to accept reality.

That’s some premier league wishful thinking.