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Old 29-01-2020, 20:10   #2221
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On another note - the EU Parliament had fun and games a couple of hours ago as Farage's lot waved Union flags (and were told to take them away and go) whilst the Lib-Dems (the 'Bollocks to Brexit mob) sang Auld Lang Syne.

Most of them sung Auld Lange Syne. It’s a song of friendship and reconciliation. It was meant as a nice gesture.
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Old 29-01-2020, 20:30   #2222
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Most of them sung Auld Lange Syne. It’s a song of friendship and reconciliation. It was meant as a nice gesture.
... As in "bollocks to Brexit"?
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... As in "bollocks to Brexit"?
They didn't just mean brexit they meant democracy.
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

Here's a really interesting long article about Brexit and how we got here, comparing supranational influence vs. sovereign control and whether Brexit is a radical or conservative issue - https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...ontrol/605734/
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...sels-swz25spl0

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In a speech on Monday he will say that he (Boris Johnson) is ready to accept the “off-the-shelf” model first proposed by the bloc’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier.

The so-called Canada model allows for almost tariff-free trade in goods but entails border checks and does not include the UK’s large services sector.
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

A momentous day, this is.

The day that the UK leaves the EU and unshackles itself from their obsession with a superstate, their obsession with placating the French, their domination (perhaps waning) by German economic power and from the ECJ.

We are free to make our own laws, be judged ultimately by our own people, forge trade agreements around the world, particularly for food products. We regain control of our fisheries and we can spit in the eye of the French government who are demanding 25 years' rights. Two fingers to that lot until they become more reasonable, no matter how big they are as a collective.

Two fingers to the perfidious Varadkar and we should source all our beef in the UK and from places like Argentina and so on.

The guvmin has passed a law that puts all the negotiation outcomes into their sole decision, allowing them to fulfil their election obligations without Parliament getting up to its tricks again.

Bleaters are almost certain to put forward some form of anti-democratic charge and prophesies of doom.

But this is a day on which we become free again.

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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

Well, in 11 months time, anyway...
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Well, in 11 months time, anyway...
Canada agreement as offered by Barnier some time ago.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8059701.html

That preserves our independence.

And Boris agrees with me.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...sels-swz25spl0


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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

I know, I posted it above at 12.59...

But BJ said to NI exporters in November
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“There will be no forms, no checks, no barriers of any kind. You will have unfettered access.”
And the ”Canada’ model allows for almost tariff-free trade in goods but entails border checks...

btw, from further down in the Times article
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The EU leaders explicitly warn Mr Johnson that they will reject any attempt by Britain to negotiate a Canada-style free trade agreement unless the government signs up to abide by key European rules.

Simon Coveney, the Irish foreign minister, also warned that a post-Brexit trade deal would not be possible without a “level playing field”.

“Standards will have to be maintained in regards to environmental standards, or workers’ rights and so on,” he said. “That is only half of the challenge, the other half is around fair competition. If the UK is trying to derive a competitive advantage for its own companies in order to trade into the EU — if that’s the objective there will be no trade deal.

“The EU is pragmatic and wants to work in partnership with the UK, but make no mistake, they will defend their own interests, that’s what a trade deal is about,” he added. “The EU is an open book, very predictable, very treaty based, and the UK knows only too well, if they’re not willing to approach negotiations in that knowledge, we’re going to have real problems. The EU will not be taken for granted and will always protect the interests of those staying in the union first and that’s why things may be difficult.”
Anyhow, we’re in the Transition Period for another 11 months, following all the EU Rules, paying our contribution, and subject to EU laws.
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But BJ said to NI exporters in November
"There will be no forms, no checks, no barriers of any kind. You will have unfettered access.”
And the ”Canada’ model allows for almost tariff-free trade in goods but entails border checks...
You know, I think BJ is being perfidious

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Anyhow, we’re in the Transition Period for another 11 months, following all the EU Rules, paying our contribution, and subject to EU laws.
Ah, but from tonight we get the right to have no say in those laws or where our money is spent, so that's got to be worth celebrating surely ?
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I'll be content if we stiff Varadkar (and Sturgeon). It's preposterous that these pompous individuals from Ireland are threatening us in the name of the big beast bully.

As to Mr K's remarks, the Transition Period is a necessity and thereafter, we are the UK without the EU yoke. The Conservative majority of 80 speaks to that aim. Who is so undemocratic here as to challenge that?

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I'll be content if we stiff Varadkar (and Sturgeon). It's preposterous that these pompous individuals from Ireland are threatening us in the name of the big beast bully.

As to Mr K's remarks, the Transition Period is a necessity and thereafter, we are the UK without the EU yoke. The Conservative majority of 80 speaks to that aim. Who is so undemocratic here as to challenge that?

It's not Varadkar BJ's 'stiffing' though is it? It's the people of NI he's repeatedly lied to. If anything his actions make a united Ireland more likely (which Varadkar wants). Apart from the Protest/Catholic demographic gradually changing (Catholics are forecast to outnumber Protestants by 2021), all sides might see a better future within the EU, and the Loyalist diehards become the minority. Wouldn't surprise me if NI left the UK before Scotland.
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It's not Varadkar BJ's 'stiffing' though is it? It's the people of NI he's repeatedly lied to. If anything his actions make a united Ireland more likely (which Varadkar wants). Apart from the Protest/Catholic demographic gradually changing (Catholics are forecast to outnumber Protestants by 2021), all sides might see a better future within the EU, and the Loyalist diehards become the minority. Wouldn't surprise me if NI left the UK before Scotland.
It depends on your perspective. I'm talking about what Varadkar is saying NOW. Actually much like he was huffing before Brexit.
He needs to be stiffed.

Other than that, the rest of what you have said can't be convincingly argued against.

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It's not Varadkar BJ's 'stiffing' though is it? It's the people of NI he's repeatedly lied to. If anything his actions make a united Ireland more likely (which Varadkar wants). Apart from the Protest/Catholic demographic gradually changing (Catholics are forecast to outnumber Protestants by 2021), all sides might see a better future within the EU, and the Loyalist diehards become the minority. Wouldn't surprise me if NI left the UK before Scotland.
Exactly.
BoJo is just a rule-taker when it comes to Brexit. The EU offered an inferior route to Theresa May that NI must align with Eire, even if this means a GB-NI hard border. Theresa May declined as this would splinter the UK. BoJo agreed as it keeps him in power for another year and appears decisive.
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Exactly.
BoJo is just a rule-taker when it comes to Brexit. The EU offered an inferior route to Theresa May that NI must align with Eire, even if this means a GB-NI hard border. Theresa May declined as this would splinter the UK. BoJo agreed as it keeps him in power for another year and appears decisive.
Boris agreed to it so that he could

(a) Leave the EU;

(b) Try to negotiate atrade deal and if failing, then drop out entirely.

Seems very sound to me as a strategy.

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