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Old 29-01-2019, 00:50   #2851
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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If we leave the EU and Scotland wanted to rejoin, they could put their house in order and apply to join again. Leaving the EU might be enough for some people to change their minds and produce a yes vote for independence.
There’s no Good Friday Agreement to force everyone to try to keep the border open in the event of Scotland being in the EU and England being out.

Brexit is about to kill Scottish independence stone dead and the SNP knows it. As soon as the electorate is confronted with the reality of austerity-on-steroids and the sheer illogicallity of leaving the U.K. single market, where more than three quarters of all Scottish “exports” go, in order to secure privileged access to something vastly smaller and managed in the interests of countries whose governments care nothing whatsoever for Scotland, well our heids dinnae button up the back, as they say around here.
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Old 25-04-2019, 12:56   #2852
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Sturgeon wants a new independence referendum if Scotland is pulled out of the EU:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-48026430
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Old 25-04-2019, 13:02   #2853
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Time for the Barnett formula to be ended for Scotland. No justification for it. They have their own tax raising powers so Scotland should be funding Scottish spending, not England. They need to face reality.
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The latest Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland (Gers) data for Scotland shows that for 2017-18 overall state spending hit £73.4bn compared to tax income of just under £60bn, including oil revenues. That left a deficit for the year of £13.4bn, compared with £13.5bn the year before. Scotland’s deficit was equivalent to 7.9% of GDP, while for the UK as a whole it was 1.9%.
Scotland has 8.2% of the UK’s population but absorbed 9.3% of the UK’s total state spending while its share of tax raised across the UK stood at 7.8%. The UK government said this meant the Scottish deficit was equivalent to nearly £1,900 per head more than the UK’s deficit.
According to EU rules the deficit should be less than 3%. They have a very long way to go.
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Old 25-04-2019, 13:39   #2854
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

I wish that woman and the SNP would just bugger off. Da
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Half of me says we either have a Union or we don’t, secession being a democratically available option.

Half of me says sod them. The shenanigans that would follow a decision for them to,leave the Union would be amusing for many people south of the border, not to mention the economic turmoil that would it Scotland.

The third half of me says that sturgeon should get what she wishes for and the unintended consequences.

That’s 2:1 for sod them if the choose independence.

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Old 25-04-2019, 14:03   #2856
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Time for the Barnett formula to be ended for Scotland. No justification for it. They have their own tax raising powers so Scotland should be funding Scottish spending, not England. They need to face reality.
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According to EU rules the deficit should be less than 3%. They have a very long way to go.
Quite right. Scotland benefits from being part of the UK. The SNP detests the English and their case for independence is based on pure emotion. There is certainly no economic case for it.

No wonder they want to remain within the EU - so they can sponge even larger sums of money off them! If we leave the EU, where will they get their subs from if they are no longer part of the UK either?

The SNP are a bunch of parasitic losers if you ask me.

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Half of me says we either have a Union or we don’t, secession being a democratically available option.

Half of me says sod them. The shenanigans that would follow a decision for them to,leave the Union would be amusing for many people south of the border, not to mention the economic turmoil that would it Scotland.

The third half of me says that sturgeon should get what she wishes for and the unintended consequences.

That’s 2:1 for sod them if the choose independence.

I think you need to brush up on your maths, Seph.
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Old 25-04-2019, 16:27   #2857
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Quite right. Scotland benefits from being part of the UK. The SNP detests the English and their case for independence is based on pure emotion. There is certainly no economic case for it.
Unhindered by stifling British bureaucracy, Scotland will be free to sign its own trade deals. There's a whole world outside the UK and many parts of it are growing more rapidly than the UK.
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Old 25-04-2019, 16:44   #2858
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Quite right. Scotland benefits from being part of the UK. The SNP detests the English and their case for independence is based on pure emotion. There is certainly no economic case for it.

No wonder they want to remain within the EU - so they can sponge even larger sums of money off them! If we leave the EU, where will they get their subs from if they are no longer part of the UK either?

The SNP are a bunch of parasitic losers if you ask me.

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I think you need to brush up on your maths, Seph.
However I could have expressed it, 2:1 for sod them would still have emerged.
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Old 25-04-2019, 16:51   #2859
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Brussels REJECTS instant membership for Scotland: EU HAMMER BLOW for independence campaign


SCOTLAND has suffered a hammer blow to its independence hopes after Brussels chiefs insisted the country would not be given preferential treatment to join the European Union.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...mission-latest
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Not like the express to have a headline that doesn’t reflect the content of the article.
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Old 25-04-2019, 18:37   #2861
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Not like the express to have a headline that doesn’t reflect the content of the article.
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Old 25-04-2019, 19:34   #2862
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Unhindered by stifling British bureaucracy, Scotland will be free to sign its own trade deals. There's a whole world outside the UK and many parts of it are growing more rapidly than the UK.
Except that the UK has far less bureaucracy under the Conservartives, and what there is you can expect to be loosened when we Brexit.

If Scotland were independent of the UK and the EU, yes, the opportunities would be there, but with SNP anti-business policies and its left of centre agenda, they will not prosper, I'm afraid.
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Except that the UK has far less bureaucracy under the Conservartives, and what there is you can expect to be loosened when we Brexit.

If Scotland were independent of the UK and the EU, yes, the opportunities would be there, but with SNP anti-business policies and its left of centre agenda, they will not prosper, I'm afraid.
In your right wing opinion, an ideology that Scotland broadly rejects.

Surely that freedom to leave and take back control is worth voting for, even if there's an economic cost? (and that's a big if). At least - that's the argument in favour of Brexit.
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In your right wing opinion, an ideology that Scotland broadly rejects.

Surely that freedom to leave and take back control is worth voting for, even if there's an economic cost? (and that's a big if). At least - that's the argument in favour of Brexit.
It's not right wing ideology at all. If a government over-taxes the rich and stifles innovation, the rich take their money elsewhere. You do understand that, right?

Brexit is about taking back control so we can prosper. It's not about taking control for the sake of it.
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It's not right wing ideology at all. If a government over-taxes the rich and stifles innovation, the rich take their money elsewhere. You do understand that, right?

Brexit is about taking back control so we can prosper. It's not about taking control for the sake of it.
Depends on your definition of ‘over-tax".

When companies off-shore Holding Companies to avoid paying Corporation Tax, or use complex barely legal tax avoidance schemes (knowing even if they have to pay, they will have held on to the capital for a few years), remedying those situations is not "over-taxing".

We all need to pay appropriate taxes to support the society we all live in - wanting to keep an extra 5% of anything you earn over £150k is just being greedy, imho (speaking as someone who has been on 40% and above tax rate for over 25 years).
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