Brexit discussion

Still Sharing one sided rubbish I see Andrew from the crappy guardian..

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Still Sharing one sided rubbish I see Andrew from the crappy guardian..

I know you read The Guardian every day, tucked into a Daily Express so no one suspects.

But on a more serious note, perhaps you can help me out by pointing out what's one-sided in the article I linked too, so I and others can be wary in the future.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I know you read The Guardian every day, tucked into a Daily Express so no one suspects.

I find it fascinating given that I don’t buy/read either or any other paper.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Osem

Or Carl Sargeants's suicide which seems to have been forgotten about already - possibly because he wasn't the victim of a right wing nut case who's an easy target for those who only see 'nastiness' on the right of the spectrum. A brief search will reveal the sort of pressure he was exposed to by some very nasty lefty hypocrites....

l myself have not forgotten about anything as sadly whether it is from the extreme right or the extreme left it should be stamped out completely but sadly that is not happening as we continue to allow the hate and incitement to come out on a everyday basis and yet nothing gets done about and it continues to go on unimpinged sadly.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I know you read The Guardian every day, tucked into a Daily Express so no one suspects.

But on a more serious note, perhaps you can help me out by pointing out what's one-sided in the article I linked too, so I and others can be wary in the future.

It's one sided because it doesn't mention they need us at all, I've asked a few times what we will be selling the rest of the world that we don't currently do once we leave and no one seems to want to answer, the flip side of that is we will be buying from the rest of the world on much cheaper terms than we currently get from the EU, not giving us a deal closer to our expectations is as bad for them as it is us, no mention of that in the article but if a thicko like me can see it you can bet it's not lost on monsieur Barnier or his chums

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

It's one sided because it doesn't mention they need us at all, I've asked a few times what we will be selling the rest of the world that we don't currently do once we leave and no one seems to want to answer, the flip side of that is we will be buying from the rest of the world on much cheaper terms than we currently get from the EU, not giving us a deal closer to our expectations is as bad for them as it is us, no mention of that in the article but if a thicko like me can see it you can bet it's not lost on monsieur Barnier or his chums

What will we be able to buy on cheaper terms from the rest of the world that is compatible with no hard border between GB, NI and Ireland? I don't think your reply takes into consideration the constraints the border agreement imposes. And I disagree with you calling yourself a thicko.
I think you may struggle with getting a straight answer from Brexiters about what we will sell that we don't already sell to the world. As we see on this forum, the lack of an answer can tell you quite a lot!

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Osem

https://order-order.com/2017/12/17/d...nd-referendum/

Pathetic hateful morons.

Hey 'order order', you forgot the 'nasty lefty hypocrites' bit.....

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

What will we be able to buy on cheaper terms from the rest of the world that is compatible with no hard border between GB, NI and Ireland? I think you've fallen for the cake-and-eat-it spin without understanding the border constraints.

If I've fallen for anything it's the no cake for anyone spin and I don't recall seeing much about the border in the article, you want to move the goalposts from your original question because it was so obviously a one sided article or something

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

What will we be able to buy on cheaper terms from the rest of the world that is compatible with no hard border between GB, NI and Ireland? I don't think your reply takes into consideration the constraints the border agreement imposes. And I disagree with you calling yourself a thicko.
I think you may struggle with getting a straight answer from Brexiters about what we will sell that we don't already sell to the world. As we see on this forum, the lack of an answer can tell you quite a lot!

It’s nothing to do with not having an answer to your questions, it’s more to do with being being tired of seeing the same stuff being asked and questions having a theme of hypotheticals.

Also the questions are asked that you desire an answer that you require to be doom laden, to justify your negative fantasy that Brexit is a mistake. It is not a mistake, it was a democratic decision.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

It is not a mistake, it was a democratic decision.

It's possible to be both.

[arcimedes]

Originally Posted by Mick

Its.

Also the questions are asked that you desire an answer that you require to be doom laden, to justify your negative fantasy that Brexit is a mistake. It is not a mistake, it was a democratic decision.

Just because it was a democratic (whatever that means!) decision doesn't mean it was right. Why do the so-called brexiteers feel so threatened that they have to attack any even slightly opposing view?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by arcimedes

Just because it was a democratic (whatever that means!) decision doesn't mean it was right. Why do the so-called brexiteers feel so threatened that they have to attack any even slightly opposing view?

Because underneath a lot are equally uncertain about Brexit and they need to constantly reassure themselves it was the right decision. Any 'traitorous' voices saying otherwise must be blocked out. For people that supposedly 'won' they do seem to be constantly angry and unhappy. Life's going to be brilliant isn't it ?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

It’s nothing to do with not having an answer to your questions, it’s more to do with being being tired of seeing the same stuff being asked and questions having a theme of hypotheticals.

Also the questions are asked that you desire an answer that you require to be doom laden, to justify your negative fantasy that Brexit is a mistake. It is not a mistake, it was a democratic decision.

It's TheDaddy's and John's reasonable questions which have languished unanswered.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

If I've fallen for anything it's the no cake for anyone spin and I don't recall seeing much about the border in the article, you want to move the goalposts from your original question because it was so obviously a one sided article or something

I don't try and argue with every point that people make (contrary to popular belief but as you're seeking an answer on this one, the article was an interview with the EU's negotiator, not a commentary or analysis piece. It also states "In a blow to remain campaigners, Barnier contends that the UK would be unable to revoke article 50 unilaterally – a view at odds with the veteran British diplomat Lord Kerr, who wrote the famous treaty text and insists the UK can withdraw its decision to leave up until the last moment of departure. Asked whether the UK could unilaterally revoke article 50, Barnier said: “The clock is ticking. No changes in the process can be unilateral, they must be collective.”

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's TheDaddy's and John's reasonable questions which have languished unanswered.

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I don't try and argue with every point that people make (contrary to popular belief but as you're seeking an answer on this one, the article was an interview with the EU's negotiator, not a commentary or analysis piece. It also states "In a blow to remain campaigners, Barnier contends that the UK would be unable to revoke article 50 unilaterally – a view at odds with the veteran British diplomat Lord Kerr, who wrote the famous treaty text and insists the UK can withdraw its decision to leave up until the last moment of departure. Asked whether the UK could unilaterally revoke article 50, Barnier said: “The clock is ticking. No changes in the process can be unilateral, they must be collective.”

Good. Must fill you with joy!

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Good. Must fill you with joy!

Don't believe everything thee pesky Continental types tell you!