Electric heating only?

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

That's what mortgages are for.

You Sir must live in a different world to me posting like a 10K debt is easily managed

Another bunch of egg heads with no sense of reality.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

You Sir must live in a different world to me posting like a 10K debt is easily managed

With my mortgage already paid, I'd have to take a mortgage loan for as many years as it would take to pay my gas bill equivalent to the lender.

A 4 bedroom detached home can easily cost £2,000 p.a. for energy, although I stand corrected in so far as my total bill is about £2,400 p.a. of which £800 is electricity.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Carth

We'll be back to burning logs, peat and coal soon enough, everything goes in cycles . . . including the conclusive facts and evidence put forward by the experts in such matters.

Back to the stone ages once we run out of the rare materials to make these brilliant new energy devices

Peat is one of the worst things we can burn, peat bogs contain so much carbon that otherwise would never get released into the atmosphere, so much so in the future I wouldn't be shocked to see their carbon capturing abilities used in the fight against climate change

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

With my mortgage already paid, I'd have to take a mortgage loan for as many years as it would take to pay my gas bill equivalent to the lender.

A 4 bedroom detached home can easily cost £2,000 p.a. for energy, although I stand corrected in so far as my total bill is about £2,400 p.a. of which £800 is electricity.

I'd say mine is less than £200 per year and that includes the poxy standing charge

[Carth]

Hmm yes, this glorious fight against climate change that keeps rearing it's head when people want me to spend more money.

I'm expected to spend 'up to' £8k on a new heating system that may, or may not, be as good as the one I currently have.
My washing machine is 'eco friendly' and only has a cold fill water inlet, which means it has to heat up the water instead of using the hot water already available in a tank upstairs . . . and takes over 2 hours to do a decent wash/rinse cycle.
A house full of 'low energy' light bulbs that probably use more energy to make than I save by using them.

In the meantime, 5 miles away is a steelworks pumping out more crap in an hour than I could make in 6 months, served by a road network full of vehicles adding to the problem, and a large new 'new village' build underway on a designated flood plain.

. . and that's just local, in a Country that actually has (and tries to hit) emission targets instead of burning their forests down.

Well that's my mid week moan out of the way, I guess I should now look around on which destination I should fly to for a nice 2 week holiday in the sun

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Carth

Hmm yes, this glorious fight against climate change that keeps rearing it's head when people want me to spend more money.

I'm expected to spend 'up to' £8k on a new heating system that may, or may not, be as good as the one I currently have.
My washing machine is 'eco friendly' and only has a cold fill water inlet, which means it has to heat up the water instead of using the hot water already available in a tank upstairs . . . and takes over 2 hours to do a decent wash/rinse cycle.
A house full of 'low energy' light bulbs that probably use more energy to make than I save by using them.

In the meantime, 5 miles away is a steelworks pumping out more crap in an hour than I could make in 6 months, served by a road network full of vehicles adding to the problem, and a large new 'new village' build underway on a designated flood plain.

. . and that's just local, in a Country that actually has (and tries to hit) emission targets instead of burning their forests down.

Well that's my mid week moan out of the way, I guess I should now look around on which destination I should fly to for a nice 2 week holiday in the sun

was discussing this with my father and he was telling me it is all well and good in a new property but older houses that obviously are not designed for it the costs will be be far greater and the inconvenience and disruption as your home gets ripped apart adds to that

The largest polluters in the world are not doing much so end of the day we are just getting our shoes wet

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

. . and that's just local, in a Country that actually has (and tries to hit) emission targets instead of burning their forests down.

Some good points in your rant about joined-up thinking.

On forests, we burnt ours down a long time ago but that doesn't make us much better. We need to start replanting them, which I think is what we're doing on a small scale.

[tweetiepooh]

Boilers also heat hot water. We have a combi so no water storage. Gas is cheaper per kWh than lekky.



And really don't want anything noisier than radiator system. I hate fan noise and switch off A/C when abroad at night, use it to cool the room when lights are on. Then close curtains, open windows, A/C off, lights off overnight.



Also people dry things on radiators or near radiators. And lean against them for comfort. Just something nice about a nice hot radiator.

The heat pump fan is outdoors. It doesn’t even have to be right outside - it can go at the bottom of the garden. Once the heat is collected it is passed through a heat exchanger to either underfloor pipes or radiators in order to heat the room. It isn’t a fan heater system. Provided you install a radiator rather than an underfloor system your heat pump will also have a flow temperature in excess of 55c and will also provide hot water.

It also outputs around 2-3 kW of heat for every 1 kW of electricity it uses, while a modern gas boiler puts around 0.9 kW of heat into your home for every 1 kW of energy in the gas supply. Yes, electricity is more expensive than gas, but there’s no direct comparison between a gas boiler and a heat pump, such as you might expect to make between a gas boiler and an electrically heated radiator.

It sounds very much to me as if you’re objecting to something you actually don’t know anything about. These things really do work - I’m looking at one out of my window right now, and it’s been very happily heating my next door neighbour’s house all through the last season.

[heero_yuy]

Quote from The Sun:

Millions of cash-strapped Brits will be able to afford to rip out their boilers and install eco-heat pumps within months, green campaigners say today.

After a furious backlash at Government plans to try and force Brits to swap over their dirty gas boilers as part of moves to go green, experts said it wouldn't be long before the price is slashed to affordable levels.

At the moment they can set Brits back on average £10,000, but by making more of them in Britain, firms are confident the price will halve within 18 months to around £5,500.

And together with new grants, it may mean that the cost of an eco-heat pump could be as low as £1,500 - the price of some boilers.

You'll still need to up radiator sizes and improve insulation but at least the "boiler" costs may be reasonable.

[Carth]

When the Govt. and Eco groups give me a 75% reduction on price and fitting I'll consider it.

Until then, the aging gas boiler will stay

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

When the Govt. and Eco groups give me a 75% reduction on price and fitting I'll consider it.

Until then, the aging gas boiler will stay

I'm sure uptake will be like other things - early adopters who pay through the nose. Most people who pay once prices have come down once electric heating becomes mainstream. Late-converters who will hold out until the tax on gas makes it unviable to continue with their present set-up.

[papa smurf]

i look forward to the blackouts when the infrastructure can't cope with demand.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i look forward to the blackouts when the infrastructure can't cope with demand.

Chuck a solar panel and wind turbine on the boat and you'll be covered whatever the weather.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Chuck a solar panel and wind turbine on the boat and you'll be covered whatever the weather.

Already have 2 panels 200w, only really effective June -august low sun = low volts/amps.