Coronavirus (OLD) - Page 289

tweetiepooh · 01-07-2020, 16:10

True the exact term carrier means you are infected but what other term would you use that you are transporting the virus on things you carry or have with you? There was concern at one point that cats could act as a vector carrying the virus into households on them rather than in them.

papa smurf · 02-07-2020, 07:41

'SLAVE LABOUR' How Leicester sweat shops are still full of workers earning £2.50 per hour despite lockdown

IT was business as usual for the poor factory workers servicing Britain’s high street fashion industry today.

Heads bowed as they shuffled wearily from the hulking red brick buildings that dot Leicester’s garment districts to the east of the city, the mainly Indian and Eastern European migrants seemed oblivious to the government order to stay at home.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/120042...pite-lockdown/

jfman · 02-07-2020, 07:55

Interesting that the Sun are more interested in where they came from rather than the fact we have “business owners” opening against Government advice and seemingly paying below the minimum wage.

Presumably not collecting income tax or paying national insurance contributions either. But hey, the enemy is the guy working for £2.50 an hour just in case they starve.

ianch99 · 02-07-2020, 09:09

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Originally Posted by jfman

Interesting that the Sun are more interested in where they came from rather than the fact we have “business owners” opening against Government advice and seemingly paying below the minimum wage.

Presumably not collecting income tax or paying national insurance contributions either. But hey, the enemy is the guy working for £2.50 an hour just in case they starve.

Standard Right Wing Media misdirection. I mean it has worked for years, look at all the fools that have been duped. Why stop now?

downquark1 · 02-07-2020, 09:16

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“It’s is wrong but no one is doing anything to put a stop to it. The police should go into the factories and close them down.

“The workers come into my shop and tell me that it is not safe for them because they are working close together with no PPE, but what can they do?

“They have rent and bills to pay and they want to make new lives for themselves in this country. What they are doing is slave labour, there is no other word for it.

"They are only getting £2.50 an hour and they make so little money they have to live with 10 others in two or three bedroom houses.

“The places they live in are disgusting, totally unfit for human beings. If you step inside you have to wear a mask and even then you are probably going to catch something. I know this is the truth because they have told me it themselves.”

ianch99 · 02-07-2020, 09:21

This is a good game

I'll raise you:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/120042...pite-lockdown/

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The same shop owner said most of the factory workers are from the Daman and Goa areas of India where they are able to get Portuguese passports that allow them free access to the UK.

A large number also come from Eastern European countries like Romania where they are willing to work long hours for pittance.

downquark1 · 02-07-2020, 09:22

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Originally Posted by ianch99

This is a good game

I'll raise you:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/120042...pite-lockdown/

Why should those details not be included?

jfman · 02-07-2020, 09:45

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Originally Posted by downquark1

Why should those details not be included?

Willing to work long hours for a pittance frames them as the enemy. It’s the coming over here stealing our jobs narrative.

Employers paying below the minimum wage is a crime regardless of where the employee was born. Someone with a Portugese passport has the right to work in the UK.

Whether they should or will in the future is irrelevant. The fact is they do.

downquark1 · 02-07-2020, 09:47

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Originally Posted by jfman

Willing to work long hours for a pittance frames them as the enemy. It’s the coming over here stealing our jobs narrative.

Employers paying below the minimum wage is a crime regardless of where the employee was born. Someone with a Portugese passport has the right to work in the UK.

Whether they should or will in the future is irrelevant. The fact is they do.

Can you phrase the idea in a way that is not painting them as the enemy without leaving out information?

jfman · 02-07-2020, 10:03

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Originally Posted by downquark1

Can you phrase the idea in a way that is not painting them as the enemy without leaving out information?

Why does all of the information need to be included?

Where they were born is irrelevant unless we think they are illegal immigrants. Whether they are willing to work for below the minimum wage is also irrelevant. The point of legislating for a minimum is to protect people from that.

Desperate people, of all creeds and colours, turn to desperate situations.

“Rogue employers paying less than minimum wage continue to operate sweat shops in Leicester during lockdown.”

Does the job.

downquark1 · 02-07-2020, 10:07

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Originally Posted by jfman

Why does all of the information need to be included?

Where they were born is irrelevant. Whether they are willing to work for below the minimum wage is also irrelevant. The point of legislating for a minimum is to protect people from that.

Desperate people, of all creeds and colours, turn to desperate situations.

“Rogue employers paying less than minimum wage continue to operate sweat shops in Leicester during lockdown.”

Does the job.

Well it's very relevant to the discussion. The fact they are undocumented migrants means they are incentivised not to sue their employer for paying under minimum wage. If I thought they were British citizens I would dismiss them as stupid for being conned like this.

jfman · 02-07-2020, 10:12

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Originally Posted by downquark1

Well it's very relevant to the discussion. The fact they are undocumented migrants means they are incentivised not to sue their employer for paying under minimum wage. If I thought they were British citizens I would dismiss them as stupid for being conned like this.

The only people in the whole discussion I can see committing a crime here is the employer.

Romanians and people carrying Portuguese passports have the right to travel and work in the EU and UK (for now).

downquark1 · 02-07-2020, 10:14

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Originally Posted by jfman

The only people in the whole discussion I can see committing a crime here is the employer.

Romanians and people carrying Portuguese passports have the right to travel and work in the EU and UK (for now).

If Romanians are carrying Portuguese passports, then something is up. Romania is perfectly capable of issuing passports.

jfman · 02-07-2020, 10:27

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Originally Posted by downquark1

If Romanians are carrying Portuguese passports, then something is up. Romania is perfectly capable of issuing passports.

If the article said that I’d agree with you - indicative of people smuggling and wider international crime no doubt.

However it doesn’t say that. Those from Goa are legitimately obtaining Portugese passports, in line with the law there and the end of Portugese rule allowing some to apply for Portugese nationality (and their children, and grandchildren).

Carth · 02-07-2020, 11:44

Workers at a Wrexham food factory linked to 237 coronavirus cases have said they do not feel safe

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53260897

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"I don't know if anyone complains. So many don't speak English. I don't think they say anything."

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People with Covid-19 symptoms have been told to self-isolate for seven days and are legally entitled to £94 pounds a week in statutory sick pay.

But concerns have been raised that people with symptoms are continuing to work because they cannot afford not to.

You'll probably find similar remarks from workers in most factories