Coronavirus (OLD)

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Singling out the Conservatives seems to me to be an expression of dislike of Conservatives worthy of Mr. K.

But the Liberal and the Labour Parties were not in power in 1963 or 2020 so why should I mention them?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

But the Liberal and the Labour Parties were not in power in 1963 or 2020 so why should I mention them?

That wasn't my point. The Conservatives didn't need to be singled out except to someone of Mr K's ilk (in forum context). The circumstances of the debt figure is more relevant.

Furthermore, there is an insidious tilt at the fact that the Conservatives are in power now, whereas the circumstances (CV) are more relevant.

Originally Posted by Carth

Probably because 70% of the population are unable to understand either German or Italian?

Update - just found out it’s already available in English.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

That wasn't my point. The Conservatives didn't need to be singled out except to someone of Mr K's ilk (in forum context). The circumstances of the debt figure is more relevant.

Furthermore, there is an insidious tilt at the fact that the Conservatives are in power now, whereas the circumstances (CV) are more relevant.

In his defence though, it's perhaps illustrative of how modern Conservatism - post financialisation - varies from its predecessors. The privatisation of the profitable parts of the state (essentially bringing forward profits into a one off windfall) has caused a fundamental rethink of the role and purpose of the state.

Of course the fear now is that Coronavirus shows up that there's certain things the state should do.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Update - just found out it’s already available in English.

Good job you didn't pick Norway too

Norway suspends virus-tracing app due to privacy concerns

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ivacy-concerns

Originally Posted by Carth

Good job you didn't pick Norway too

Norway suspends virus-tracing app due to privacy concerns

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ivacy-concerns

Do you mean the centralised data one, not a decentralised one that uses the Google/Apple framework, like Germany’s App?

From ComputerWeekly, two days ago...

The app adopts the Apple/Google framework for decentralised digital contact tracing, which means no personally identifiable data or user location information is recorded or stored.

Attila Tomascheck, digital privacy expert at ProPrivacy, has dubbed the German app as a “model to follow” in its effectiveness and preservation of user privacy.

A similar decentralised approach, backed by Apple and Google, is now being considered in Norway.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Do you mean the centralised data one, not a decentralised one that uses the Google/Apple framework, like Germany’s App?

From ComputerWeekly, two days ago...

No idea Hugh, my interest in it doesn't go that far.

[papa smurf]

UK covid alert level now at meh

The UK's coronavirus alert level has been downgraded from four to three, its chief medical officers have said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53106673

Can't wait till it gets to whatever.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

UK covid alert level now at meh

The UK's coronavirus alert level has been downgraded from four to three, its chief medical officers have said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53106673

get the pubs open.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

In his defence though, it's perhaps illustrative of how modern Conservatism - post financialisation - varies from its predecessors. The privatisation of the profitable parts of the state (essentially bringing forward profits into a one off windfall) has caused a fundamental rethink of the role and purpose of the state.

Of course the fear now is that Coronavirus shows up that there's certain things the state should do.

What you say has nothing to do with Conservatism in 1963 nor the state of the UK. Privatisation was 20 years away. Andrew normally presents cogent arguments. The dig at the Conservatives was gratitous and contributed nothing to analysis.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What you say has nothing to do with Conservatism in 1963 nor the state of the UK. Privatisation was 20 years away. Andrew normally presents cogent arguments. The dig at the Conservatives was gratitous and contributed nothing to analysis.

I appreciate the compliment about cogent arguments.

I'm a bit tired or my post would have been more polished, but it was meant as more matter of fact than dig. Many people jump to conclusions that debt is tied to one party (whereas it's more linked to economic cycles) so I thought it interesting to see who was in power in 1963. We can all be guilty of jumping to conclusions about politics - if someone had told me the first council housing in Europe was introduced by a Conservative Council in Liverpool I would have been initially sceptical but it's true.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I appreciate the compliment about cogent arguments.

I'm a bit tired or my post would have been more polished, but it was meant as more matter of fact than dig. Many people jump to conclusions that debt is tied to one party (whereas it's more linked to economic cycles) so I thought it interesting to see who was in power in 1963. We can all be guilty of jumping to conclusions about politics - if someone had told me the first council housing in Europe was introduced by a Conservative Council in Liverpool I would have been initially sceptical but it's true.

Don't forget that the labelling has changed a lot since the Conservatives were in power in the 1960's. The Vote Leave Tories in power now are a pale and shallow imitation of the mostly one nation Conservatives up until the mid-1970s.

Saying the two types of Tory party of then and now would be a futile exercise. The Tories of old had a, rightly deserved, reputation of decency, integrity and honesty. This new lot cannot even spell the words nevermind abide by them. The only merit of getting a Cabinet post is being a Vote Leave disciple, ability is a bonus. Take Hancock and the "App" for a nice example:

"We backed both horses" - and worked on two apps at once. On-record statement Department of Health on May 18: "There is no alternative app."

The government had "worked closely with Apple and Google". Apple said: "It is difficult to understand what these claims are as they haven't spoken to us."

"We discovered a technical barrier" that every other country with track and trace apps has found, says Health Secretary Matt Hancock. "Our app won't work because Apple won't change their system". Germany's app using the Apple platform is up & running with 10 million downloads in 3 days.

They just cannot help lying, it is in their nature and I am afraid they are in so deep with the debacle of the UK's handling of this crisis, we will see more of this crap.

Here's another example:

UK campaigners seek judicial review of £108m PPE contract award

Campaigners are seeking a judicial review into how a pest-control company with net assets of £19,000 was given a government contract worth £108m to secure personal protective equipment (PPE) for health workers during the coronavirus pandemic.

PestFix, which has 16 staff and is based in Littlehampton in Sussex, was given the contract in early April to provide items such as gowns and face masks to the NHS.

It's legit, honest!

[1andrew1]

The app story gets stranger

Apple 'not told' about UK's latest app plans
Apple says it did not know the UK was working on a "hybrid" version of the NHS coronavirus contact-tracing app using tech it developed with Google.
The firm took the unusual step of saying it was also unaware of an issue regarding distance-measuring, which was flagged by Health Secretary Matt Hancock in Thursday's daily briefing.
Apple said it was "difficult to understand" the claims.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53105642

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Don't forget that the labelling has changed a lot since the Conservatives were in power in the 1960's. The Vote Leave Tories in power now are a pale and shallow imitation of the mostly one nation Conservatives up until the mid-1970s.

Wise words as shown by the school lunch situation.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99
Don't forget that the labelling has changed a lot since the Conservatives were in power in the 1960's. The Vote Leave Tories in power now are a pale and shallow imitation of the mostly one nation Conservatives up until the mid-1970s.

Hardly. Link.

The early 1970s were U-turn central. Here's a tickle from the link:

It certainly doesn't compare to what Ted Heath, undisputed king of the U-turn, got up to in 1972 – the year he earned the derision and despair of the Tory party's proto-Thatcherites by exercising a series of screeching U-turns on what they had been led to believe was the road to redemption.

On your point about lying - that's standard for most politicians. It's unfortunate that they've (Guvmin) got themselves into the current series of incredulous statements. I can't defend it.

Overall, though, the Guvmin policy on treading carefully before relaxing measures is easily supported.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

The app.... which means no personally identifiable data or user location information is recorded or stored.

How can it work if it doesn't know who you are or where you are or were?