Coronavirus (OLD)

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Paul

What does "fully contained" mean ?

I doubt 77% will support maintining the lockdown for another 12 months.

You can’t fully contain it, you can fully contain it about as much as you can fully contain seasonal flu or the common cold.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Pierre

You can’t fully contain it, you can fully contain it about as much as you can fully contain seasonal flu or the common cold.

Do you still think Coronavirus is 'just a bit of flu'?

Originally Posted by Mr K

Do you still think Coronavirus is 'just a bit of flu'?

Not what he said - move to strike leading loaded question, m’lud!

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Not what he said - move to strike leading loaded question, m’lud!

It's what he's said before.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...&postcount=757

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Paul

What does "fully contained" mean ?

I doubt 77% will support maintining the lockdown for another 12 months.

I doubt it too which is why it's important we get the next few weeks right while public support is strong.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Do you still think Coronavirus is 'just a bit of flu'?

It's a type of flu, like SARS and MERS. I don't think anyone is minimising the dangers - what some of us are trying to do is to draw attention to the number of influenza deaths in the UK each year to get matters into proportion.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

It's what he's said before.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...&postcount=757

I believe I went on to clarify that statement and correctly replaced “the” with “a”, which it is.

My point in the post previous that it is a Corona virus like the cold, like the flu, and therefore would be some what difficult to totally contain.

Do you disagree with that assertion?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

As I've said in past posts, the death figures are the cast iron stats as to the state of the virus.

That said, the figures based on new tests should now be normalised (a well understood statistical technique) so that they can be represented from the start in the new normal.

Also it is now clear that comparison with other countries is meaningless except, perhaps, the death count.

Andrew Neil is pointing out the death count and the data is bleak:

https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1255191154859147264

This official chart can give the government no comfort. Most international comparisons show us tracking France. But France includes care homes etc. Our daily Covid stats don’t. Include them (all settings in chart) and we’re even tracking above Italy.

[Dave42]

more that 1 million cases now is USA

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...-days-11980148

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Andrew Neil is pointing out the death count and the data is bleak:

https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1255191154859147264



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Of course we accept statistics from other countries as accurate and Gospel, just our government that are inept n’er do wells that manipulate the numbers.

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by Pierre

about as much as you can fully contain seasonal flu or the common cold.

Has anyone ever tried?

I am curious what beneficial effects the lockdown will have on other diseases.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

Has anyone ever tried?

I doubt they have, as the only way you could “fully” contain it would be for everyone to live in an individual sterilised space and have absolutely no contact ( including sharing airspace) with anyone else.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

You can’t fully contain it, you can fully contain it about as much as you can fully contain seasonal flu or the common cold.

What you mean to say is that you don't think the efforts to contain it would be cost effective. There's no scientific evidence to suggest it's not containable, if we adequately control human behaviour, restrict movement, test, trace and isolate just like any other virus.

This exercise obviously not helped by Herd Immunity Week.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

I doubt they have, as the only way you could “fully” contain it would be for everyone to live in an individual sterilised space and have absolutely no contact ( including sharing airspace) with anyone else.

That's not true - there's nothing wrong with people in small groups so long as there is no mixing between groups. These could be streets, villages, towns, etc.

That way it eventually can only be exposed to members of the smaller groups making test, track, trace even easier. Whole areas can gradually be declared clear of the virus so long as there's no mixing with groups under investigation.

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Originally Posted by Dave42

more that 1 million cases now is USA

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...-days-11980148

A success story of private healthcare provision.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Dave42

more that 1 million cases now is USA

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...-days-11980148

It's bound to be higher as the US has a higher population. It is ludicrous to compare infection rates and deaths between countries in absolute numbers. Compare deaths per million and you get a more realistic comparison, but even that takes no account of population density.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It's bound to be higher as the US has a higher population. It is ludicrous to compare infection rates and deaths between countries in absolute numbers. Compare deaths per million and you get a more realistic comparison, but even that takes no account of population density.

Than India or China? You learn something new every day on here.

Actually the best comparison is infections per capita. Deaths doesn't account for the capability of healthcare systems where poorer countries would be disproportionately affected.

Unless of course you are the richest country in the world and don't provide universal healthcare...