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Old 08-06-2020, 11:19   #106
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Pierre said that, they didn't. It's telling that both of you see their language as a threat.
"Our commitment to all black lives means that we lift up the experiences of the most marginalised in our communities, including but not limited to working class queer, trans, undocumented, disabled, Muslim, sex workers, women/non-binary, HIV+ people"

No straight white people mentioned in that quote.i don't see anyone as a threat.
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Are straight white men marginalised communities that need "lifted up"?

Nowhere do they express hate.
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Old 08-06-2020, 11:24   #108
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Are straight white men marginalised communities that need "lifted up"?

Nowhere do they express hate.
Yes,but no one wan'ts to hear about it.
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Yes,but no one wan'ts to hear about it.
Get out and protest then Smurf ! Nobody reads CF
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Yes,but no one wan'ts to hear about it.
Where? Who from?

I'm genuinely very keen to hear the evidence base for this. As a straight white man who doesn't feel very persecuted I'd be genuinely upset to miss out on Straight White Men Matter and campaign for our needs.
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They should call themselves British Blacks hate British White straight men...
That's your white privilege telling BLM UK what to do.
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That's your white privilege telling BLM UK what to do.
No, that's me using my right to free speech by offering an opinion that their name doesn't represent their ideals and suggesting they try a new one.
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Where? Who from?

I'm genuinely very keen to hear the evidence base for this. As a straight white man who doesn't feel very persecuted I'd be genuinely upset to miss out on Straight White Men Matter and campaign for our needs.
You pretend to care but i know in my heart that you don't ,your just patronising me.
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That's your white privilege telling BLM UK what to do.
Err, no, that’s the equality BLM UK claims to want, at work. BLM UK campaigning and expressing its views ... great. People outside of their client group being told to either agree and approve of both message and method, or else be silent ... not great.

I’m happy for any group in the U.K. to campaign on whatever they want, right up to the point where they start destroying the fabric of the towns and cities we all share and assaulting those whose job is to maintain our safety and order.

I’ve kept out of this thread so far because I really don’t have time for the pointless, circular shouting past each other that it has been from the outset. Had I contributed before now I’d probably simply have pointed out that the claim “Black lives matter” does not mean therefore that white lives do not matter. However, it is apparent that there are those on the fringe who are all too willing to bleat “white privilege” at any opinion they disagree with but lack the intellectual capacity to counter. For some people it actually starts to look like “Black Lives Matter” does mean “white lives don’t matter”. And that’s a shame, because I’m quite sure that’s not what the original intention of the campaign in the US was.
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Re: Black Lives Matter

People from either side will try and hijack it for whatever reason they want. 'All lives matter' might have been a better slogan, but a bit too subtle for the US, who need it spelling outto them what the issue is.
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People from either side will try and hijack it for whatever reason they want. 'All lives matter' might have been a better slogan, but a bit too subtle for the US, who need it spelling outto them what the issue is.
Very true, and sadly this weekend I think we have lost a golden opportunity to examine racial history in the USA and try to understand what the problems really are over there. It remains a very rich and influential country that we have to deal with and it is useful for us to understand what makes it tick. Now, though, all anyone is associating with BLM in the British press this morning is a copper with a head wound and a large bronze statue being dumped in a dock.

(edit) and, of course, the very real risk that there might now be some local spikes in Covid-19 transmission due to ill-advised mass gatherings in various cities.
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I'm not sure Britain needs to understand racial inequality in the USA. I'd say Americans do.
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Err, no, that’s the equality BLM UK claims to want, at work. BLM UK campaigning and expressing its views ... great. People outside of their client group being told to either agree and approve of both message and method, or else be silent ... not great.

I’m happy for any group in the U.K. to campaign on whatever they want, right up to the point where they start destroying the fabric of the towns and cities we all share and assaulting those whose job is to maintain our safety and order.

I’ve kept out of this thread so far because I really don’t have time for the pointless, circular shouting past each other that it has been from the outset. Had I contributed before now I’d probably simply have pointed out that the claim “Black lives matter” does not mean therefore that white lives do not matter. However, it is apparent that there are those on the fringe who are all too willing to bleat “white privilege” at any opinion they disagree with but lack the intellectual capacity to counter. For some people it actually starts to look like “Black Lives Matter” does mean “white lives don’t matter”. And that’s a shame, because I’m quite sure that’s not what the original intention of the campaign in the US was.
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And that has happened in the UK how many times?



Because state oppression, killing or lack of bringing to justice those that kill Black people is not an issue in the UK as it is in the USA.



I have a view and I will express it, who are you to try and shout me down?



Already been through this with Ben, he’s better at than you btw, and it seemed evident that there was disparity. Which might be annoying, upsetting, frustrating and it needs to be looked at.........but nobody dies.


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to take your points in order.

1) There have several deaths in police custody of black people where excessive force has played a significant part in the death of a suspect. Look it up

2) Your opinion is detracting from the crux of the issue. It doesn't matter what the movement is called. the important part is the objective. I don't see BLM in the US complaining about people in the UK or other parts of the world using BLM. So why is it so important to you?

If you think saying someone is better than me is going to cause me to stop debating then I'm sorry you're wrong. If that wasn't the aim then i don't really see why you would choose to post a petty attempt at an insult.

Now, would you like to stop with the poor attempts at insults and use the significant intelligence you posses to engage in the important part of the issue?

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People from either side will try and hijack it for whatever reason they want. 'All lives matter' might have been a better slogan, but a bit too subtle for the US, who need it spelling outto them what the issue is.

Why would 'All lives matter' have been a better slogan? Don't you think that detracts the focus from where it needs to be?
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Err, no, that’s the equality BLM UK claims to want, at work. BLM UK campaigning and expressing its views ... great. People outside of their client group being told to either agree and approve of both message and method, or else be silent ... not great.

I’m happy for any group in the U.K. to campaign on whatever they want, right up to the point where they start destroying the fabric of the towns and cities we all share and assaulting those whose job is to maintain our safety and order.

I’ve kept out of this thread so far because I really don’t have time for the pointless, circular shouting past each other that it has been from the outset. Had I contributed before now I’d probably simply have pointed out that the claim “Black lives matter” does not mean therefore that white lives do not matter. However, it is apparent that there are those on the fringe who are all too willing to bleat “white privilege” at any opinion they disagree with but lack the intellectual capacity to counter. For some people it actually starts to look like “Black Lives Matter” does mean “white lives don’t matter”. And that’s a shame, because I’m quite sure that’s not what the original intention of the campaign in the US was.
As far as I can see, BLM in the US or UK have never claimed to seek equality or claimed that everyone must agree or be silent.

And many have pointed out that 'All Houses Matter' but it's the one that's on fire right now that requires urgent attention, not the ones around it that aren't.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone in the white community is welcome to form and express any opinion they see fit but telling black people what their movement "should do" crosses a line into 'white privilege'.

You may not have a problem with that but, I suspect, both BLM in the US and UK will.
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