12-07-2021, 18:03
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Re: Euro 2020
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What a nice gesture. Was it a competition he won or something?
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12-07-2021, 18:14
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Re: Euro 2020: England Reach Final
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I totally agree with him, he speaks a lot of sense does John Barnes. These BLM people have orchestrated it to be the case that if you don't wholeheartedly support them, then you must be racist or believe that black lives don't matter.
Besides, I don't see why racism should be singled out for special attention. There are a wide number of disadvantaged groups who suffer from discrimination, harassment etc. Just singling one group out implies that racism is somehow worse than any other form of oppression & is in itself a form of indirect discrimination.
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There is someone on this forum who appears to look out for anti-disability comments, often perceiving them when none are meant - it appears if you don’t wholeheartedly agree with them, then you must be disablist or believe that disabled people don’t matter.
I don't see why disability discrimination should be singled out for special attention. There are a wide number of disadvantaged groups who suffer from discrimination, harassment etc. Just singling one group out implies that disability discrimination is somehow worse than any other form of oppression & is in itself a form of indirect discrimination*.
See how what you wrote sounds from another viewpoint?
Try walking a mile in someone else’s shoes, to gain their viewpoint and see things from their perspective - if you don’t gain any self-awareness or knowledge, at least you’ve gained a pair of shoes…
*I obviously don’t believe or agree with this view…
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12-07-2021, 18:20
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Re: Euro 2020
disablist ?
Did you just make that up
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12-07-2021, 18:27
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Re: Euro 2020
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disablist ?
Did you just make that up
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* cough cough* maybe…
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12-07-2021, 18:27
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Re: Euro 2020: England Reach Final
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If they (and the media) stopped giving the racists/abusers constant attention they would simply fade away.
They love the attention & limelight, and right now they are getting absolutely tons of it.
Stop taking the bloody knee, stop making a huge fuss about it [complaining about it to the press] - simply turn on your word filters and ignore them.
Once they realise they are no longer getting constant attenion and reactions, they will get bored and move on.
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That’s like saying if women didn’t wear low cut tops or short skirts they’re wouldn’t be as many women being sexually harassed, sexually assaulted (or worse)
Racism in all its guises has existed long before BLM, your statement however is if we don’t draw attention to it it will go away
The problem is the racists NOT those who are protesting/drawing attention to it.
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12-07-2021, 22:02
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Re: Euro 2020: England Reach Final
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That’s like saying if women didn’t wear low cut tops or short skirts they’re wouldn’t be as many women being sexually harassed, sexually assaulted (or worse)
Racism in all its guises has existed long before BLM, your statement however is if we don’t draw attention to it it will go away
The problem is the racists NOT those who are protesting/drawing attention to it.
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Then can you please explain why it is not getting any better, despite attention being brought to it, in fact it is getting a lot worse than ever, not better.
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12-07-2021, 22:31
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Re: Euro 2020: England Reach Final
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Then can you please explain why it is not getting any better, despite attention being brought to it, in fact it is getting a lot worse than ever, not better.
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Is it getting worse? One of the things about bringing attention to something is that you'll notice it more.
The reaction to the abuse is encouraging. The newspapers tonight seem to universally be going after the racists, players and clubs are uniting against them and there is more pressure on social media companies to act.
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12-07-2021, 22:46
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Re: Euro 2020: England Reach Final
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Then can you please explain why it is not getting any better, despite attention being brought to it, in fact it is getting a lot worse than ever, not better.
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Surely, if it’s getting worse it’s even more important to protest against it and refuse to accept it?
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13-07-2021, 02:58
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Re: Euro 2020: England Reach Final
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Surely, if it’s getting worse it’s even more important to protest against it and refuse to accept it?
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Taking the knee won’t stop racism. As it’s clearly been demonstrated given the online abuse and vandalism of Marcus Rashford’s Mural after his disastrous penalty attempt.
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13-07-2021, 10:21
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Re: Euro 2020: England Reach Final
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Taking the knee won’t stop racism. As it’s clearly been demonstrated given the online abuse and vandalism of Marcus Rashford’s Mural after his disastrous penalty attempt.
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I don't think it was ever intended to stop racism. to me, it's about showing that you're not prepared to tolerate this ignorant, offensive behavior from happening in a supposed civilised society.
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13-07-2021, 11:54
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Re: Euro 2020
It's just a gesture, a 'show of solidarity' . . . like the many before it that had lots of good intentions with no end product.
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13-07-2021, 12:00
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Re: Euro 2020
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It's just a gesture, a 'show of solidarity' . . . like the many before it that had lots of good intentions with no end product.
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Exactly, how dare people show that they're against racism because their gestures or protests might not achieve anything. They should just shut up, not bother and hope that the offending behavior doesn't get any worse.
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13-07-2021, 12:02
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Re: Euro 2020
And it doesn’t help that anyone not seen to be 100% in favour of taking the knee is automatically written off and closed down as a “racist”.
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13-07-2021, 12:06
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Re: Euro 2020
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And it doesn’t help that anyone not seen to be 100% in favour of taking the knee is automatically written off and closed down as a “racist”.
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You're right
However, I'm unable to come up with a reason why people would, or do object to players,athletes etc. taking the knee?
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13-07-2021, 12:12
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Re: Euro 2020
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And it doesn’t help that anyone not seen to be 100% in favour of taking the knee is automatically written off and closed down as a “racist”.
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I don't believe they are - it's often the accompanying comments that lead people to regard them as racists, rather than the objection to "taking the knee",
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