Post-Brexit Thread

Originally Posted by ntluser

Let's hope that we get some more feedback from the Conservative party in the next few days about how things are progressing about the appointment of the new PM. Quite a few people have already declared their candidature.

Yeah Hopefully we get some forward movement in the coming days and at least a "pencilled in"'timetable of how things will progress.

[nashville]

Seems like everything is a worse shambles before the referrendum, No one knows what is happening, I think we are worse off now in Scotland, N S is going to fight to stay in and we have gave her another excuse to break up Britain, What a disaster we are in now,

[denphone]

We are in a fine mess currently that's for sure nash.

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by nashville

Seems like everything is a worse shambles before the referrendum, No one knows what is happening, I think we are worse off now in Scotland, N S is going to fight to stay in and we have gave her another excuse to break up Britain, What a disaster we are in now,

I think it is a case of wait and see. At this point we don't even know if the referendum result will be implemented by the new PM.

If it isn't then Nicola Sturgeon has nothing to worry about.

If it is then we will have to wait and see what deal we get as it might be something Nicola Sturgeon can live with if it still permits trade with Europe.

The ideal solution would be a deal that offers something to those who wanted to remain and something to those who voted leave.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Indeed I can't recall any positive message on remaining in the EU. All we got was project fear and increasingly stupid, ridiculous, and finally fantasy statements about the supposed dire consequences of leaving. No wonder the electorate rejected them.

To be fair a fear campaign won the general election.

[Gavin78]

What gets me is that at the moment the out voters views are being held to ransom by the prime minister.

I think he's stalling it that much so the whole country goes tits up so he has an excuse to dissolve the results of the referendum and take back control or something along those lines.

Originally Posted by nashville

Seems like everything is a worse shambles before the referrendum, No one knows what is happening, I think we are worse off now in Scotland, N S is going to fight to stay in and we have gave her another excuse to break up Britain, What a disaster we are in now,

Originally Posted by denphone

We are in a fine mess currently that's for sure nash.

What's done is done. The positive thing is that the markets have stabilised for now so the immediate threat is gone. The main concern now should be the amount of companies freezing investment, hiring and looking to move out but at least in the latter case they're all 'exploring' the option so if we stay in the single market that will ease up.

We're probably entering a recession but we're not looking at a banking collapse. This is bad but at least it's not 2008 bad.

Don't want to jinx it obviously. I think the real problems mostly come if we decide to pull out of the single market. If we don't this is just a bad year imo.

The bigger positive though is that what is happening to the Labour party is very, very funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo

[Gavin78]

http://news.sky.com/story/1718888/th...t-near-commons

Thousands of people are protesting outside the Houses of Parliament against the result in the EU referendum.

Sky's Jason Farrell says the protest appears to be spontaneous and without apparent leadership.

Groups of demonstrators are singing songs and chanting slogans, many of which are aimed at the leaders of the Leave campaign.

Shouts of "no more hate", "down with Boris", "leaders not liars" and "there's no plan", according to several posters on Twitter.

The crowd has also been singing Hey EU, to the tune of The Beatles song Hey Jude.

Farrell says the size of the protest is much bigger than the pro-Corbyn demonstration held in Parliament Square on Monday night



You see these are the losers....look at their ages in the photo they look like students how can you take them seriously they follow FADS they have no control and most of them couldn't even be bothered to turn out for a vote.

WE have a population of spoilt brats that have lived in society where everything has been done for them and haven't had to make decisions.

I voted out because of reasons like this because we have a generation of people that think they can have it their own way all the time no matter what.

Originally Posted by Gavin78

http://news.sky.com/story/1718888/th...t-near-commons

Thousands of people are protesting outside the Houses of Parliament against the result in the EU referendum.

Sky's Jason Farrell says the protest appears to be spontaneous and without apparent leadership.

Groups of demonstrators are singing songs and chanting slogans, many of which are aimed at the leaders of the Leave campaign.

Shouts of "no more hate", "down with Boris", "leaders not liars" and "there's no plan", according to several posters on Twitter.

The crowd has also been singing Hey EU, to the tune of The Beatles song Hey Jude.

Farrell says the size of the protest is much bigger than the pro-Corbyn demonstration held in Parliament Square on Monday night



You see these are the losers....look at their ages in the photo they look like students how can you take them seriously they follow FADS they have no control and most of them couldn't even be bothered to turn out for a vote.

WE have a population of spoilt brats that have lived in society where everything has been done for them and haven't had to make decisions.

I voted out because of reasons like this because we have a generation of people that think they can have it their own way all the time no matter what.

There won't be a rerunning of the vote, if you do then British democracy is down the pan and chaos is the only way forward. An if a bunch of London students who only care about their London banking sector jobs think they will change anything they're Sadly mistaken.

17million honest voters being over ruled by a lesser number of corrupt none democracy respecting thugs will unleash havoc on the UK.

Who wants a country where 17 million are told they don't count? Leave them with nothing, they will leave you with nothing. Unless the army is going to surround London? Brexit has to happen, the alternative I suspect is worse then some economic uncertainty. How many of those in London tonight are the children of wealthy bankers? How many are the children of long term unemployed Welsh or English family's with little or no prospects?

Originally Posted by Gavin78

http://news.sky.com/story/1718888/th...t-near-commons

Thousands of people are protesting outside the Houses of Parliament against the result in the EU referendum.

Sky's Jason Farrell says the protest appears to be spontaneous and without apparent leadership.

Groups of demonstrators are singing songs and chanting slogans, many of which are aimed at the leaders of the Leave campaign.

Shouts of "no more hate", "down with Boris", "leaders not liars" and "there's no plan", according to several posters on Twitter.

The crowd has also been singing Hey EU, to the tune of The Beatles song Hey Jude.

Farrell says the size of the protest is much bigger than the pro-Corbyn demonstration held in Parliament Square on Monday night

I am glad that it's bigger than the Pro-Corbyn protest. For all the talk of 'a kinder form of politics' there is something very visceral and nasty about some of the Momentum stuff.

It's not exactly spontaneous. There was a planned rally for Trafalgar Square but it was cancelled on safety crowds, however it appears people turned up and heading down to Parliament.

You see these are the losers....look at their ages in the photo they look like students how can you take them seriously they follow FADS they have no control and most of them couldn't even be bothered to turn out for a vote.

Yes they are losers but democracy doesn't stop. So what if they're students? Also I imagine the people minded to go to this protest are the ones who did vote.

WE have a population of spoilt brats that have lived in society where everything has been done for them and haven't had to make decisions.

This does though apply to all generations. At least the people here are doing something. Personally I have more respect for them than the people who do nothing, don't vote 'because it doesn't make a difference', and think unremitting cynicism about politics is somehow commendable.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by techguyone

Maybe all the people so busy frothing at the mouth on social media, and filling in bs petitions, should have been a bit more passionate about voting... the % difference to swing it wasn't that big, it would have made the difference.

Tough titties really to them.

Or tough titties to democracy unless of course you genuinely believe democracy really is as simplistic as a vote in a box every five years, for me that's not active participation, knowing why you're ticking that box, being empowered enough to have the knowledge to be confident of your choice and realising the opportunities each choice offers is democracy. For me the problem is not so much the result as I was never a massive remainer but it's how we got there as a people, would I be moaning if the result was reversed, maybe not as much but I'm sure I would be.

Originally Posted by Big Brian

There is a lot of behind the scenes work going on. Labour are drawing up a proposal with, I presume, the mini manifesto leave had. Whilst I'd like A 50 to be invoked sooner rather than later we have to have a plan before we can do this.

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Oh come on. It's over lets get on with it. Would you be saying that if it had been 51 - 49 in favour of remain?

No he might not have but nigel farage would've been

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/rememb...endum-5963900/

[Gavin78]

Just watched the whole farage 8 min EU speech I have to say I thought it was a good speech, seemed to me he was fair with them despite them laughing at him but then all I can say is it just shows the mentality of the EU members.

[RichardCoulter]

Chants (sung to 'Rule Brittania') have been heard in London with the words "Rule Brittania, Brittania Rules the waves, first we'll kick out the Poles and then the Gays".

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by jamiefrost

Yes it's not like leavers lied about immigration lied about money and lied about control at all is it.

What sense of community are your talking about when the country is utterly divided?

Why do need to single yourself out as a white English male to be part of your new found community?

But hey let's invoke A50 without any sense of the way forward.

What do you propose access to the single market, EEA trade under normal WTO regulations? how much of this fabled sovereignty are you willing to give up for access?

J

Leave did not lie about immigration. You can't get the numbers down while you are a member of the EU and have to accept freedom of movement. They did not lie about control either. It stands to reason if you leave the EU, you take back control of your laws, borders, immigration trade and finances. The only lie I see where money is concerned was the £350 million for the NHS. In the last week, they did stress that this was the starting figure and that we do get some of it back in rebates and hand-outs.

[jamiefrost]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

Leave did not lie about immigration. You can't get the numbers down while you are a member of the EU and have to accept freedom of movement. They did not lie about control either. It stands to reason if you eave the EU, you take back control of your laws, borders, immigration trade and finances. The only lie I see where money is concerned was the £350 billion for the NHS. In the last week, they did stress that this was the starting figure and that we do get some of it back in rebates and hand-outs.

Apart from the fact we have had full control over 50% of immigration that was outside the EU and it looks like we are heading for membership of the EEA which require free movement.

So what will have changed?

J