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Pierre · 28-11-2018, 21:38

I was talking to three Dutch colleagues last night and they all said that the Deal is a bad one, and if it was them ( the Netherlands) in this position they’d prefer no deal.

nomadking · 28-11-2018, 21:43

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Originally Posted by Pierre

I was talking to three Dutch colleagues last night and they all said that the Deal is a bad one, and if it was them ( the Netherlands) in this position they’d prefer no deal.

There would be riots on the street and possibly civil war in any other country, if they were treated the same way as in the UK(especially England, eg where's our English Parliament).

**Mick** · 28-11-2018, 22:21

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Think you're just trying to convince yourself mate,... The effects of Brexit will last for generations, not too late to turn back but it would involve some admitting they were wrong, so it probably won't happen.

Brexit will do no such thing.

Absolute rubbish. Democracy must prevail. We must leave the EU!!!

Forget the Brexit TV debate with May and Corbyn - I want to see one with Mervyn King true believer in Brexit and does not believe the bullshit Remainer forcasts or Project fear as it as known as and chicken prick, Mark Carney.

**Damien** · 28-11-2018, 22:34

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Brexit will do no such thing.

What if it does? I can understand people being optimistic but considering the dramatic change we're about to undertake I am not sure why people are so convinced that it won't go wrong.

Dave42 · 28-11-2018, 22:45

Andrea Leadsom back Mays deal

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eresa-May.html

**Mick** · 28-11-2018, 22:56

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What if it does? I can understand people being optimistic but considering the dramatic change we're about to undertake I am not sure why people are so convinced that it won't go wrong.

No it's some Remainers who have convinced themselves that they want something to go wrong. They selfishly want Brexit to fail. Sod them I say.

I am prepared to put my country first, I voted to take us out of a dying corrupted Union that finally admitted it's true colours, wants to finally become a U.S.E with an Army and steal Sovereign power from it's member States, as per what Verhoftstadt said should happen.

True British Democracy must prevail, we must leave the EU. No stupid second referendums to stop the first - we must finally leave the EU.

Gavin78 · 28-11-2018, 23:13

As we get closer to leaving the EU states are showing their true colours towards the UK, I hope the places crumbles. Even Rome for its size eventually fell

jfman · 29-11-2018, 06:31

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Originally Posted by Pierre

I was talking to three Dutch colleagues last night and they all said that the Deal is a bad one, and if it was them ( the Netherlands) in this position they’d prefer no deal.

Pesky Europeans telling us what to do with our sovereignty...

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As we get closer to leaving the EU states are showing their true colours towards the UK, I hope the places crumbles. Even Rome for its size eventually fell

I’m curious about this further use of emotive language. What have the EU done or said that couldn’t have been reasonably anticipated?

They are a trading bloc who naturally act in their collective interest. We have put ourselves in this situation with our nationalist bluster and lack of planning.

**Damien** · 29-11-2018, 08:31

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No it's some Remainers who have convinced themselves that they want something to go wrong. They selfishly want Brexit to fail. Sod them I say.

Remainers are worried something might go wrong. In my opinion it will impact the economy badly. However I know I might be wrong. It's the conviction you have that nothing will that I don't understand.

The scenario from the BoE is the 'worst case' but even a fraction of that could be really bad. 2008 was terrible obviously but there the economy 'only' shrank 4%, half of the BoE worse case scenario for Brexit, and if the UK has to go through anything nearly as bad as 2008 then that will be very bad. It's also why I question when people say that no deal will cause some pain but we'll get by, how much are the public willing to take? Because I think Boris Johnson and co are fooling themselves if they think the public will go for anything close to that.

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I am prepared to put my country first

The fact Remainers think this is bad for the country and want to stop it is also them putting their country first. People just disagree on what's best for it.

papa smurf · 29-11-2018, 09:44

Brexit no deal on the table: UK will prepare for no deal IMMEDIATELY if vote lost

THERESA MAY has admitted that if her Brexit deal is voted down, immediate “practical steps” would be taken to prepare for a no-deal.

The admission took place in an evidence-giving Liaison committee in parliament this morning. Mrs May said: “The timetable is such that some people would need to take some practical steps in relation to no deal if parliament voted it down.” The Prime Minister also heavily implied that no planning was going on before the vote towards contingency options that would be put in place if her deal was voted down.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/10...ment-vote-lost

Mr K · 29-11-2018, 09:57

They should have prepared for no deal for 2 years shouldn't they ? a bit late now ! Not an option and everyone knows it, just the latest unsubtle scare tactic to get whimpy MPs to vote for the current deal.

papa smurf · 29-11-2018, 10:13

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They should have prepared for no deal for 2 years shouldn't they ? a bit late now ! Not an option and everyone knows it, just the latest unsubtle scare tactic to get whimpy MPs to vote for the current deal.

I seem to recall the gov saying several months ago that they were preparing for a no deal scenario .

denphone · 29-11-2018, 10:15

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I seem to recall the gov saying several months ago that they were preparing for a no deal scenario .

Actions often speak louder then words..

papa smurf · 29-11-2018, 10:32

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Actions often speak louder then words..

Brexit: 'No deal' planning is well under way, says minister

Contingency plans in case the UK has to leave the EU with no deal in place are "well under way", a minister has said.

Dominic Raab said while the UK had to "strive for the very best outcome" from Brexit negotiations, it had to "prepare for all eventualities".

The Sunday Telegraph claimed there were plans to "unlock" billions of pounds in the new year to prepare for a "no deal" Brexit, if talks make no progress.

Six months of Brexit negotiations have not led to a significant breakthrough.

This is from oct 2017

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41544588

Gavin78 · 29-11-2018, 10:37

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Pesky Europeans telling us what to do with our sovereignty...

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I’m curious about this further use of emotive language. What have the EU done or said that couldn’t have been reasonably anticipated?

They are a trading bloc who naturally act in their collective interest. We have put ourselves in this situation with our nationalist bluster and lack of planning.

Looking at the comments you've been making since joining this thread I've found them really condescending some kind of one-upmanship aimed towards those that wanted to vote out.

We have spain, macron , italy and the EU council themselves to name a few.

We talk about having our cake and eating it, well why not the EU are doing the exact same. It's not even about trade it's about the divorce it's what the EU want from the UK in order to leave. They are happy to take but return nothing in favour, Divorce doesn't work like that.