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ianch99 · 22-11-2018, 21:47

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Originally Posted by djfunkdup

LOL

A LOL *and* 3 Smilies ... progress I suppose

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Originally Posted by Damien

Yup, almost certainly. It's page 4 of the agreement actually.

If they are EU migrants, I bet they are only paying minimum wage for the Whipping as well, cheapskates!

RichardCoulter · 22-11-2018, 21:55

Whether we leave without a deal, or Mays agreement is accepted, i'm immensely pleased that freedom of movement will cease and that the likes of these will no longer have the right to come here:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/770603...effield-shock/

If we end up staying as we are and freedom of movement continues, I can see serious trouble ahead; this area of Sheffield is already at boiling point. One local woman said earlier this evening that she wants to leave the area, but these people have made her house reduce in value by £30,000, so she doesn't know when she'll be able to afford to.

ianch99 · 22-11-2018, 21:56

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Originally Posted by Damien

They fired a lot of the journalists and turned into a clickbait driven commentary site. It's a shame because it was a Conservative paper but took itself seriously but now it's just a mess. All papers have been declining to an extent but the destruction at The Telegraph is still dramatic.

I agree. I always liked the Telegraph as it used to be fair in its reporting. You may not have liked its political stance but the journalism was, most of the time, honest.

I rang them up earlier today to cancel my subscription and they offered my a half price deal to stay (which I politely declined) so maybe their membership numbers are being hit?

**Mick** · 22-11-2018, 21:58

Oh dear...The deal won't succeed, Spanish PM plans to veto Brexit, but I am sure he meant to say the deal... he has tweeted in last half hour....

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After my conversation with Theresa May, our positions remain far away. My Government will always defend the interests of Spain. If there are no changes, we will veto Brexit.

**Damien** · 22-11-2018, 22:02

We'll see. They might add something of little consequence to buy him off and give him a small domestic victory, alternatively the other EU states will apply pressure or indeed he might veto the whole thing.

**Mick** · 22-11-2018, 22:03

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Originally Posted by Damien

We'll see. They might add something of little consequence to buy him off and give him a small domestic victory, alternatively the other EU states will apply pressure or indeed he might veto the whole thing.

He wants Gibraltar I think...

1andrew1 · 22-11-2018, 22:08

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Originally Posted by Damien

We'll see. They might add something of little consequence to buy him off and give him a small domestic victory, alternatively the other EU states will apply pressure or indeed he might veto the whole thing.

Why can't some unelected EU bureaucrat overrule him? That's how I've been told it works.

**Damien** · 22-11-2018, 22:23

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Originally Posted by Mick

He wants Gibraltar I think...

Nah, he knows he won't get that. He probably does want to keep Gibraltar from being part of the UK trade 'area' for practical reasons with travel/trade and domestic reasons.

That said I don't think it's a big concession. I believe Gibraltar is already treated differently from the UK, as are the crown dependences, and the omission of this was probably because no one really thought to add it.

nomadking · 22-11-2018, 22:34

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Like any legal agreement, there are fees and charges if you leave early to cover outstanding costs incurred.

Simples...

But with legal agreements any potential costs are set out in advance.

The money is not fees or charges, but is tax-like in nature. It is connected to GDP and other variable measures. The final figure paid in any year changes as economic figures for that year are updated. If you move to another country, you are no longer liable for tax in the country you have left. If there is some sort of tax liability remaining, you usually keep voting rights in that country.

Part of the basis for the figure arrived at, was the setting of a 5 year budget plan. Just as well the budget plans are every 5 years and not 10 or more, or we would have have to be paying even greater sums. There is no varying agreed amount that countries pay in. So when a budget is set there is NO actual agreement by any country to pay anything in.

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The EU budget is funded from three main sources:

Member State contributions, based on a percentage of their Gross National Income
Import duties on goods entering from outside the EU
A percentage of each Member State’s national VAT rate

Those are taxes.

denphone · 23-11-2018, 04:29

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Originally Posted by Damien

They fired a lot of the journalists and turned into a clickbait driven commentary site. It's a shame because it was a Conservative paper but took itself seriously but now it's just a mess. All papers have been declining to an extent but the destruction at The Telegraph is still dramatic.

The only decent read now sometimes is the Times which tends not to be overtly political.

Mr K · 23-11-2018, 09:20

Well what do you know, that arch Brexiteer Raab has admitted staying in the EU is better than the current deal ! Well there's a surprise !
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...will-go-ahead/

denphone · 23-11-2018, 09:26

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Well what do you know, that arch Brexiteer Raab has admitted staying in the EU is better than the current deal ! Well there's a surprise !
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...will-go-ahead/

Perhaps the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing Mr K.

jfman · 23-11-2018, 10:21

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Well what do you know, that arch Brexiteer Raab has admitted staying in the EU is better than the current deal ! Well there's a surprise !
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...will-go-ahead/

Edging ever closer...

**Mick** · 23-11-2018, 11:02

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Well what do you know, that arch Brexiteer Raab has admitted staying in the EU is better than the current deal ! Well there's a surprise !
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...will-go-ahead/

Fake News - He has categorically denied suggesting or saying this on Twitter. Saying he will fight for a proper Brexit.

https://twitter.com/DominicRaab/stat...86513421058048

Mr K · 23-11-2018, 11:27

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Tim Loughton is our local MP.

With the rest of the opposition parties whipping their MPs to vote May's deal down it looks like it's about to get sunk whether the DUP support her or not.

Then it gets interesting.

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Originally Posted by Mick

Fake News - He has categorically denied suggesting or saying this on Twitter. Saying he will fight for a proper Brexit.

https://twitter.com/DominicRaab/stat...86513421058048

I tend believe more what people say live than what they tweet later....