22-03-2019, 19:17
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Architect of Ideas
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by Pierre
It would have been, but Parliament also voted to enact the result. It didn’t say before the referendum “ this is just advisory so we may or may not follow through with the result”
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And as you know, no Parliament can bind itself or another.
If we leave it’s because Parliament decides. Not “the people”.
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22-03-2019, 19:22
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#407
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by jfman
2nd referendum and revoke on the table!
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La La Land.
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22-03-2019, 19:25
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by Mr K
There were only 2 options on the ballot paper. As we can see from the proposed indicative votes next week, there are several very different types of Brexit. It isn't as simple as 'just leaving' after all. There was no plan.
To my mind, although I know others disagree, the public should get the final say on whatever type of Brexit the muppets in Parliament come up with as they mean different things. The option to remain should be there if it's a type of Brexit you don't want.
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They are not alternative types of Brexit. It is either Brexit or it isn't. Leave means leave.
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22-03-2019, 19:26
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by jfman
And as you know, no Parliament can bind itself or another.
If we leave it’s because Parliament decides. Not “the people”.
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Based on the result of the referendum.
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22-03-2019, 19:27
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by jfman
And as you know, no Parliament can bind itself or another.
If we leave it’s because Parliament decides. Not “the people”.
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Parliament was never meant to betray the people. The referendum was held on the basis that the result would be implemented. We voted to leave.
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22-03-2019, 19:33
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Brexit (New).
The fact is, there are still only 2 options on the table, May’s deal or No Deal.
People talking about indicative votes, and other options such as an FTA deal, or a Norway deal, or a customs union, but these are all about the future relationship, and even if there was a vote and the Norway option won ( which btw doesn’t solve the Irish issue as Norway has a border with the EU) it means zip as that isn’t on the table, neither is any other option.
It is May’s deal or No deal. Nothing has been proposed that alters that position.
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22-03-2019, 19:35
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
They are not alternative types of Brexit. It is either Brexit or it isn't. Leave means leave.
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Well May's deal is literally, legally, leaving the European Union and that's called 'Not Brexit'. People are using a narrow win in the referendum as carte blanche to also dictate the future relationship with the European Union and other trading partners, the future of the Northern Irish border in relation to that and anything else too.
I don't see what gives them the right to decide how we leave as if the 52% is in charge forever more.
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Originally Posted by Pierre
The fact is, there are still only 2 options on the table, May’s deal or No Deal.
People talking about indicative votes, and other options such as an FTA deal, or a Norway deal, or a customs union, but these are all about the future relationship, and even if there was a vote and the Norway option won ( which btw doesn’t solve the Irish issue as Norway has a border with the EU) it means zip as that isn’t on the table, neither is any other option.
It is May’s deal or No deal. Nothing has been proposed that alters that position.
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The Norway option is typically seen as Norway + a customs union which does solve the problem. The more likely option is simply May's Deal + Customs Union and that would be delivered for now by amending the political declaration to put that as the starting point for the future relationship.
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22-03-2019, 19:42
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Re: Brexit (New).
Theresa May could drop vote on Brexit deal if it lacks support
Theresa May has indicated she may not bring her deal back to parliament for a third vote if there is not enough support for it.
In a letter to her fellow parliamentarians, she wrote: "If it appears that there is not sufficient support to bring the deal back next week, or the House rejects it again, we can ask for another extension before 12 April."
She also extended an offer to MPs to speak to her directly if they wish to in order to help them reach a decision.
https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-m...pport-11672888
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22-03-2019, 19:44
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
Theresa May could drop vote on Brexit deal if it lacks support
Theresa May has indicated she may not bring her deal back to parliament for a third vote if there is not enough support for it.
In a letter to her fellow parliamentarians, she wrote: "If it appears that there is not sufficient support to bring the deal back next week, or the House rejects it again, we can ask for another extension before 12 April."
She also extended an offer to MPs to speak to her directly if they wish to in order to help them reach a decision.
https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-m...pport-11672888 |
The death throws of a failed PM.
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22-03-2019, 19:46
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
They are not alternative types of Brexit. It is either Brexit or it isn't. Leave means leave.
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You keep repeating that but its blindingly obvious that leave doesn't actually mean leave does it. I'd hate to see some of the people in here in power. Like it or not, the best interests of the country need to come first and that includes the 48% that voted remain. Like it or lump it, it's simply not as simple as people want to make out it is and typing leave means leave on forums or social media isn't going to get you anywhere.
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22-03-2019, 19:48
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
Parliament was never meant to betray the people. The referendum was held on the basis that the result would be implemented. We voted to leave.
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It’s not meant to doesn’t commit it to not.
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22-03-2019, 19:50
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Re: Brexit (New).
Theresa May could drop vote on Brexit deal if it lacks support
https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-m...pport-11672888
it only a matter of how many she lose by if they do vote
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22-03-2019, 19:51
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by jfman
It’s not meant to doesn’t commit it to not.
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Could you translate into English?
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22-03-2019, 20:33
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by Damien
The Norway option is typically seen as Norway + a customs union which does solve the problem. The more likely option is simply May's Deal + Customs Union and that would be delivered for now by amending the political declaration to put that as the starting point for the future relationship.
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= tied to EU trade policy, and unable to do trade deals or set our own tariffs. What’s the point of leaving then?
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22-03-2019, 20:35
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Could you translate into English?
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It doesn’t mean it does not commit to not. It being Parliament.
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