10-11-2018, 20:50
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Dave42
what if parliament cant agree anything Den
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Highly unlikely as it stands Dave.
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10-11-2018, 20:51
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by denphone
Highly unlikely as it stands Dave.
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highly likely Den brexiteers not happy remainers not happy DUP not happy
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10-11-2018, 20:54
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#2793
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mr K
So what's your answer to it all Den?
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You tell me as there are far more articulate intelligent people on this forum who might give you the answer to that Mr K as l just say it as it is in my mind.
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10-11-2018, 21:07
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by denphone
You tell me as there are far more articulate intelligent people on this forum who might give you the answer to that Mr K as l just say it as it is in my mind.
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Well I have sort of said we need to go back to the people if the politicians have failed us.
P.S. Nothing wrong with saying what's on your mind, you're as articulate and intelligent as anyone on here, but sometimes you have to come off the fence...
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10-11-2018, 21:27
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by denphone
l certainly don't want another referendum personally but currently the omnishambles and incompetence as it is akin to a very bad train wreck.
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You can't just sit on the fence criticising, Den. That's the easiest option.
If you think the government is handling this badly, what would your definition be of handling it well?
We are facing a hostile EU, whom Theresa is dragging into a situation they want to be in. At the same time, TM has to sort out the border issue, the remainers, her own party, and parliament. She's working against the odds - don't you think it's time we gave her a little slack?
Without her efforts, it would be a hard Brexit, only option. I didn't think you wanted that.
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Originally Posted by Mr K
Well I have sort of said we need to go back to the people if the politicians have failed us.
P.S. Nothing wrong with saying what's on your mind, you're as articulate and intelligent as anyone on here, but sometimes you have to come off the fence...
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On your PS, we are in agreement. That's a nice feeling, Mr K, keep it up!
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10-11-2018, 21:56
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Re: Brexit
Because we are facing a hostile EU, we should walk away. They are not decent partners.
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10-11-2018, 21:58
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Because we are facing a hostile EU, we should walk away. They are not decent partners.
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Fine. What would you do about the disruption to business and frictionless trade, and what would you do about the Irish border?
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10-11-2018, 22:06
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Pierre
OK special K, let’s bottom this out.
What would be the options on this Referendum?
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Come on Mr K, I think you’re ignoring me. I ask again, what would be the options on your referendum?
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Originally Posted by Mr K
Well I have sort of said we need to go back to the people if the politicians have failed us.
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And ask them what?
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10-11-2018, 22:10
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
Fine. What would you do about the disruption to business and frictionless trade, and what would you do about the Irish border?
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There are some principles by which we should stand.
A perfidious neighbour cannot be trusted - so to hell with them until they reform by becoming reasonable and accommodating.
They will allow frictionless trade only on their terms. So to hell with that too.
As to the Irish border question - let them build a border (which they won't). It's an artificial argument put up by them as an obstacle, solely to protect Irish exports. To hell with that too.
The EU has shown us their true colours and we must face that down.
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10-11-2018, 22:11
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Come on Mr K, I think you’re ignoring me. I ask again, what would be the options on your referendum?
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And ask them what?
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Spot on, Pierre! People on this forum need to get real. The only options are the negotiated deal with the EU or no deal. I can't believe that so many remainers can't see this.
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
There are some principles by which we should stand.
A perfidious neighbour cannot be trusted - so to hell with them until they reform by becoming reasonable and accommodating.
They will allow frictionless trade only on their terms. So to hell with that too.
As to the Irish border question - let them build a border (which they won't). It's an artificial argument put up by them as an obstacle, solely to protect Irish exports. To hell with that too.
The EU has shown us their true colours and we must face that down.
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Interesting response. Good luck with that.
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10-11-2018, 22:12
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Come on Mr K, I think you’re ignoring me. I ask again, what would be the options on your referendum?
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And ask them what?
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It would be quite simple, accept the proposed deal or reject it, - 2 options, most can cope with that.
If rejected the Govt. would have to renegotiate or come up with a better plan. It wouldn't automatically mean the end of your beloved Brexit.
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10-11-2018, 22:15
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mr K
It would be quite simple, accept the proposed deal or reject it, - 2 options, most can cope with that.
If rejected the Govt. would have to renegotiate or come up with a better plan. It wouldn't automatically mean the end of your beloved Brexit.
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Logical up to the full stop in your sentence. Then it all falls down. Those scheisters (the EU) won't renegotiate anything that's not to their advantage. There's an outside chance that we will by calling their bluff and they'll change tack for the better. Then I'll hate them for putting us through all this.
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10-11-2018, 22:18
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mr K
It would be quite simple, accept the proposed deal or reject it, - 2 options, most can cope with that.
If rejected the Govt. would have to renegotiate or come up with a better plan. It wouldn't automatically mean the end of your beloved Brexit.
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No, they wouldn't! We are pushing the EU to the limit. The only alternative is a no-deal.
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Logical up to the full stop in your sentence. Then it all falls down. Those scheisters (the EU) won't renegotiate anything that's not to their advantage. There's an outside chance that we will by calling their bluff and they'll change tack for the better. Then I'll hate them for putting us through all this.
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The choice is between a deal or a no deal. End of. Anything else, I'm afraid, is a delusion.
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10-11-2018, 22:37
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Hugh
If something is repeated often enough, it becomes the truth..
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
That is true, but I'm not sure why you have made this comment. After all, it is the truth.
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Try a google search on my phrase...
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10-11-2018, 23:01
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#2805
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
You actually said: "He can sometimes give that impression. I guess it's his personality with his accountant's roots.". I put no words into your mouth
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You did previously when you accompanied my quotes with additional words. To win the argument, I recommend that you make it, don't fake it.
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