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Any process that involves NK isn't going to be lacking silliness and pettiness at times I'm sure all parties expected things of this nature when entering into this process.

This is probably a bluff anyway, I wouldn't be surprised to see them go back to their isolationist ways later but for now 1) China won't be happy and 2) they would surely at least do so after getting something.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news...000551315.html

Looks like Kim Jong-Un is playing silly beggars again...

Is Kim Jong-Un playing Trump like a Stradivarius as some have suggested or is he just messing around before negotiating? I suggest the latter, I don't think he has a strong negotiating position and his nuclear test site collapsed anyway. He'll be at the negotiating table once he's had his fun.

Possibly NK has taken a long hard look at the tearing up of the Iran treaty by the Donald.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44134910

Mr Kim's statement, carried by state media, said that if the US "corners us and unilaterally demands we give up nuclear weapons we will no longer have an interest in talks" and "will have to reconsider" attending the 12 June summit.

He said North Korea did have "high hopes" but that it was "very unfortunate that the US is provoking us ahead of the summit by spitting out ludicrous statements"...

...Mr Kim also warns Mr Trump that if he "follows in the footsteps of his predecessors" - refusing to engage with North Korea unless it gives up its nuclear weapons - "he will be recorded as more tragic and unsuccessful president than his predecessors, far from his initial ambition to make unprecedented success".

I thought the whole point of the talks was "de-nuclearisation"?

Really why would they go this far and only now say they object to the denuclearisation?

Either they assumed they could keep their nuclear weapons and only close the testing site which, has has been mentioned on here already, was close to collapse anyway or they've been messing everyone around or this is a bluff....

Or maybe Mr Kim doesn't actually have as much control in NK as we are led to believe.

[Mr K]

Are the US prepared to denuclearise aswell?

NK are playing games and the US has fallen for it. Still Kim got to plant a tree and have a free holiday in South Korea so that's all good !

The U.S is a recognised Nuclear capability country, just as we are and France. We are not 'rogue' Countries like North Korea is.

Rogue Countries should not be allowed to possess or manufacture Nuclear weapons.

Iran is also a Rogue country. The terrible deal that's now seen the U.S walk away, was allowing Iran to thrive, while all the time they are planning on still fulfilling their ambition, to become a Nuclear State, we cannot allow Middle Eastern countries trying to outwit each other and build nuclear weapons, that could fall foul in to the wrong hands, ISIS to name a few entities that wouldn't hesitate using them to cause mass deaths in the West.

[pip08456]

North Korea have no intention of giving up the neuclear weapons they now have.
Full translation of their announcement yesterday.

Originally Posted by Mick

Iran is also a Rogue country. The terrible deal that's now seen the U.S walk away, was allowing Iran to thrive, while all the time they are planning on still fulfilling their ambition, to become a Nuclear State

Ok but now they can just develop one immediately....

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

The U.S is a recognised Nuclear capability country, just as we are and France. We are not 'rogue' Countries like North Korea is.

Rogue Countries should not be allowed to possess or manufacture Nuclear weapons.

Iran is also a Rogue country. The terrible deal that's now seen the U.S walk away, was allowing Iran to thrive, while all the time they are planning on still fulfilling their ambition, to become a Nuclear State, we cannot allow Middle Eastern countries trying to outwit each other and build nuclear weapons, that could fall foul in to the wrong hands, ISIS to name a few entities that wouldn't hesitate using them to cause mass deaths in the West.

Who defines what a 'rogue' country is? There's only one country that has actually used nuclear weapons who now have a paranoid schizoid with impulsive mood swings in charge.

But surely the challenge for any country undertaking negotiations with the USA is wondering if any agreement will be unilaterally withdrawn from, without discussion, in the future - this is what happened to the JCPOA.

It doesn't matter what you think of the deal - it was agreed between multiple governments, the compliance oversight was working (as agreed by the IAEA and the US State Department); what treaty is worth anything if one country can unilaterally declare it void? (and threaten to sanction countries who still try to make it work).

If nations can't trust U.S. commitments made by an administration that is no longer in office, then every pledge is valid for only four years.

[Gavin78]

Originally Posted by Hugh

But surely the challenge for any country undertaking negotiations with the USA is wondering if any agreement will be unilaterally withdrawn from, without discussion, in the future - this is what happened to the JCPOA.

It doesn't matter what you think of the deal - it was agreed between multiple governments, the compliance oversight was working (as agreed by the IAEA and the US State Department); what treaty is worth anything if one country can unilaterally declare it void? (and threaten to sanction countries who still try to make it work).

If nations can't trust U.S. commitments made by an administration that is no longer in office, then every pledge is valid for only four years.

That's pretty much it, anything agreed by any country appears to be who runs it at the time. There has been plenty of U-turns in the UK on policy and government changes.

As for Kim j perhaps he's playing the world for a fool I guess time will tell. I read in the paper yesterday that he's moaning about the military exercise in SK at the min however they were suspended during the winter games and NK was informed that these would continue until the end of May once the Winter games were over so I don't see what his problem is.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Who defines what a 'rogue' country is? There's only one country that has actually used nuclear weapons who now have a paranoid schizoid with impulsive mood swings in charge.

The only country that has used neclear weapons want no country to have them
including themselves.