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Old Yesterday, 10:01   #1186
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Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

I’m sorry Damien, you don’t like the fact that the DNC potentially acted totally illegal here. There is definitely evidence of them funding the Fake Dossier (and tried to hide that funding).
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Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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I’m sorry Damien, you don’t like the fact that the DNC potentially acted totally illegal here. There is definitely evidence of them funding the Fake Dossier (and tried to hide that funding).
Well I've outlined my issue with it. I would not unsurprised if the DNC would have acted illegally, I don't have any allegiance to the institutions of a foreign country and American politics is far more corrupt than our own. I don't think that corruption is limited to one side of the aisle.

But you're saying Obama spied on Trump for which there is no evidence. All the 'evidence' given relate to the FBI investigation into Russian interference in the election where they tapped the phone of a suspect and sent an undercover agent to meet suspects.

They do not show, as you've claimed, that the agent was 'embedded' in the Trump campaign to spy on Trump. Just as the fact the CIA bugged the phone calls of foreign leaders doesn't equate to evidence they spied on Trump.
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Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

Great opinion piece, sums up my thoughts exactly....

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The “deep state” is in a deep state of desperation. With little time left before the Justice Department inspector general’s report becomes public, and with special counsel Robert Mueller having failed to bring down Donald Trump after a year of trying, they know a reckoning is coming.

At this point, there is little doubt that the highest echelons of the FBI and the Justice Department broke their own rules to end the Hillary Clinton “matter,” but we can expect the inspector general to document what was done or, more pointedly, not done. It is hard to see how a year-long investigation of this won’t come down hard on former FBI Director James Comey and perhaps even former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who definitely wasn’t playing mahjong in a secret “no aides allowed” meeting with former President Clinton on a Phoenix airport tarmac.
http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary...protect-us-all
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1) You must have missed the brief where evidence was uncovered that the Obama Administration spied on foreign country leaders, like Angela Merkel's cell phone, spied on former UN Secretary General, Bank Ki-Moon etc....

https://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/03/p...ion/index.html

So to answer your first question. Big FAT YES!

2) Again have you been sleeping?

Andrew McCabe, Deputy FBI Director who was fired because he lied, under Oath several times, (Lacked Candor) his wife accepted Donations from a Democrat. He is supposed to have sat on information that thousands of more Clinton emails were found before the FBI announced they were re-opening the Clinton email investigation.

Two Agents who fell in love with each other, Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, which breaks FBI protocol, were texting each other like crazy and a trail of texts discovered showed their political bias towards Hillary, such strong bias led to a very 'infected' investigation, where they decided to clear Hillary Clinton of wrong doing but decided they would act against Trump if he won, re their "Insurance Policy" that they texted each other, about that they had discussed a plan in "Andy's office", that's Andy McCabe.

So to answer number 2. Yes they acted Politically. As Trump as accused them of being so, they were tainted under it's former leadership.

As for 3, Trump has repeatedly said he and has campaign were spied on, he raised it weeks after being inaugurated that Obama admin spied on him. He was laughed at and shrugged off as just being silly, he is having the last laugh now.

Remember he tweeted this last year.....

So he has not just suddenly been claiming he was spied upon...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1BD0UO
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Justice Department affirms no evidence Obama wiretapped Trump

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Justice Department said it had no evidence to support the unsubstantiated claim made in March by President Donald Trump that his predecessor, Barack Obama, had ordered a wiretap of Trump Tower during the 2016 presidential campaign.

There has never been any evidence to support Trump’s assertion on Twitter that “Obama had my ‘wires tapped’ in Trump Tower just before the victory,” despite continued insistence from some conservative websites and commentators.

But in a court filing late on Friday, the Justice Department added itself to the list of entities debunking the allegation.

The FBI and the Justice Department’s National Security Division “confirm that they have no records related to wiretaps as described” by tweets from Trump posted on March 4, the department said in a court filing in Washington.
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Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

All the Benghazi investigations conducted so far were not given everything quite a lot of records have been classified and redacted and what's not redacted is basically worthless, i thought that if congress requested access to any documents they would get them complete and unredacted apparently not.
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Great opinion piece, sums up my thoughts exactly....

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary...protect-us-all
I thought these X-files deep state theories were dead and buried but they seem to have been resurrected by Trump and pals.

Firstly, I do think a deep state does exist in some poorer countries with less developed democracies. For example, we've seen the Turkish and Indonesian armies take over those countries when they felt the goverment was not too its fancy. The US has no history of this. The fact that sitting presidents like Nixon, Clinton and Trump can be investigated shows no one is above the law and that's the way it should be.

ironically, despite Trump's allegations, he has clearly benefited from the FBI's actions. The Bureau re-opened an inquiry into Hillary Clinton’s mishandling of official emails publicly...whilst keeping mum about its suspicions of links between the Russian state and the Trump campaign.
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Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

BREAKING: NEWLY released E-mails Show Former FBI Deputy Director, Andrew McCabe Discussed Dossier Briefing Details With CNN.

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Newly revealed e-mails show that former Federal Bureau Investigation (FBI) deputy director Andrew McCabe was keenly aware of CNN’s internal understanding of a secret briefing about the infamous Steele dossier, days before CNN published any stories on the matter. The e-mails, which were obtained by Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wisc.), also reveal that top officials used coded language to refer to the salacious and unverified allegations made by Steele.

Former FBI director James Comey briefed then-President-Elect Donald Trump on January 6, 2017, on at least one unproven allegation contained in Steele’s dossier, which was jointly funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee. CNN broke the story about the dossier briefing on January 10, 2017, touching off a firestorm of hysteria that culminated in not just the firing of Comey by Trump, but the eventual appointment of Department of Justice (DOJ) special counsel Robert Mueller.

Comey claimed that he was compelled to brief Trump on the dossier because “CNN had [it]” and was “looking for a news hook.”

Hours before Comey briefed Trump, FBI chief of staff James Rybicki e-mailed staff that Comey “is coming into HQ briefly now for an update from the sensitive matter team.” Just as the same officials dubbed the Clinton e-mail investigation the “mid-year exam” and the anti-Trump counterintelligence investigation “Crossfire Hurricane,” they also used various phrases using “sensitive” to refer obliquely to the dossier.

Two days after the briefing, on January 8, 2017, former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe, who earlier this year was fired and then referred for criminal prosecution by the DOJ inspector general for repeatedly lying about media leaks, wrote an e-mail to top FBI officials with the subject, “Flood is coming.”
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Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

If the FBI didn't want Trump to win, why didn't they leak the fact that his campaign had been under investigation since July 2016 (during the campaign, or just before the Election date)?
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If the FBI didn't want Trump to win, why didn't they leak the fact that his campaign had been under investigation since July 2016 (during the campaign, or just before the Election date)?
Maybe because disclosing one thing would link it to another, something they didn't want exposed?

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Maybe because disclosing one thing would link it to another, something they didn't want exposed?
Can you give me an example of something?
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