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Old 11-01-2021, 17:32   #10231
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Not sure it is the expense - Amazon policy is not to get involved in long-term rights.

By that I mean things spread over a season - hence they like the concentrated hit of their 2 rounds of EPL matches (timed to entice new Prime members around Black Friday and Xmas).
Not entirely the case - they have picked up a Champions league package in both Italy and Germany... granted it’s only one package but each one is a 16 game package and gives them a top pick on a particular night so I don’t think they have an issue with something that lasts a season rather than considering if it adds value to a Prime membership and generate more year long subs... the current package may give them a seasonal bump but I’d bet they’d rather lock in a year... I can easily see them maybe upping the stakes and making a play for something regular like one of the Saturday or weekday rounds but maybe not much more than that.
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Old 11-01-2021, 20:43   #10232
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Not entirely the case - they have picked up a Champions league package in both Italy and Germany... granted its only one package but each one is a 16 game package and gives them a top pick on a particular night so I dont think they have an issue with something that lasts a season rather than considering if it adds value to a Prime membership and generate more year long subs... the current package may give them a seasonal bump but Id bet theyd rather lock in a year... I can easily see them maybe upping the stakes and making a play for something regular like one of the Saturday or weekday rounds but maybe not much more than that.

Your CL rights are exactly what I said - a concentrated coverage for a short period.

They have already stated that they are not interested in the sort of EPL packages you suggest as it means covering through the season for only 1 game a week which most people would not bother subscribing for - they want maximum impact for their money.
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Old 11-01-2021, 21:32   #10233
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Your CL rights are exactly what I said - a concentrated coverage for a short period.

They have already stated that they are not interested in the sort of EPL packages you suggest as it means covering through the season for only 1 game a week which most people would not bother subscribing for - they want maximum impact for their money.
I would respectfully disagree.

The 16 game deals they have acquired are not really short bursts - the deals are for one match each round covering the group and knockout stages over what, 7 months or so? Not really a short burst or something played over a couple of weekends but having a first pick game featuring an Italian or german team? That's an attractive benefit to add value to a Prime membership.

And in regards to the EPL, I still believe they will be targeted in their ambition and may well want to stick to their 20 games but IF they did make a play for a weekly game? I don't see anything but upsides - being able to offer a game each round in a Prime membership? How does that not enhance value when persuading someone to sub for a year rather than pay 7.99 for a month?

I have pasted this article here before but it's a really informative interview and gives you a good idea of what Amazon takes into account when in the sports rights market but again it does emphasise that they are looking at what enhances value in a Prime membership - and state it's not a one size fits all approach.

I just don't think it's outside of the realm of impossibility.
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Old 11-01-2021, 21:55   #10234
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I would respectfully disagree.

The 16 game deals they have acquired are not really short bursts - the deals are for one match each round covering the group and knockout stages over what, 7 months or so? Not really a short burst or something played over a couple of weekends but having a first pick game featuring an Italian or german team? That's an attractive benefit to add value to a Prime membership.

And in regards to the EPL, I still believe they will be targeted in their ambition and may well want to stick to their 20 games but IF they did make a play for a weekly game? I don't see anything but upsides - being able to offer a game each round in a Prime membership? How does that not enhance value when persuading someone to sub for a year rather than pay 7.99 for a month?

I have pasted this article here before but it's a really informative interview and gives you a good idea of what Amazon takes into account when in the sports rights market but again it does emphasise that they are looking at what enhances value in a Prime membership - and state it's not a one size fits all approach.

I just don't think it's outside of the realm of impossibility.
To be honest it wouldn't entice me to a yearly sub. I might be persuaded to sub for a month if they had an attractive game or two that month but overall I'm more than happy with what Sky and BT are offering. I don't think many fans would be prepared to sub to yet another provider for sport long term.

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I did exactly this with Prime - took month free trial for the Autumn Rugby internationals kept it for an extra month for the football over Xmas then cancelled. Since, cancelling I have received numerous emails from Amazon extolling the virtues of Prime that I will be missing.

Interestingly, this hasn't as yet extended itself to a discounted offer.
Same here, minus the extra month. Cancelled mine within an hour of the ANC final finishing.

I get the reasons why (regular autumn games impossible due Covid etc), but the whole tournament had a slight "tin-pot 6-Nations plus" feel about it IMO - and I wasn't overly impressed with the streaming coverage either.
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I would respectfully disagree.

The 16 game deals they have acquired are not really short bursts - the deals are for one match each round covering the group and knockout stages over what, 7 months or so? Not really a short burst or something played over a couple of weekends but having a first pick game featuring an Italian or german team? That's an attractive benefit to add value to a Prime membership.

And in regards to the EPL, I still believe they will be targeted in their ambition and may well want to stick to their 20 games but IF they did make a play for a weekly game? I don't see anything but upsides - being able to offer a game each round in a Prime membership? How does that not enhance value when persuading someone to sub for a year rather than pay 7.99 for a month?

I have pasted this article here before but it's a really informative interview and gives you a good idea of what Amazon takes into account when in the sports rights market but again it does emphasise that they are looking at what enhances value in a Prime membership - and state it's not a one size fits all approach.

I just don't think it's outside of the realm of impossibility.
Thanks for clarifying the CL rights abroad.

I think the reason they don't like the idea of a package offering 1 game a week is a lot of people will say 'ok there are enough games on without paying extra for the Prime game'

As I said they have been quoted some time ago that is their approach - a double bluff - possibly.

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Same here, minus the extra month. Cancelled mine within an hour of the ANC final finishing.

I get the reasons why (regular autumn games impossible due Covid etc), but the whole tournament had a slight "tin-pot 6-Nations plus" feel about it IMO - and I wasn't overly impressed with the streaming coverage either.
I quite agree with quality of coverage.

I kept it for an extra month - 20 games of EPL for 7.99 worked for me.

Wouldn't pay 7.99pm over the season if Prime took one of the main packages.

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To be honest it wouldn't entice me to a yearly sub. I might be persuaded to sub for a month if they had an attractive game or two that month but overall I'm more than happy with what Sky and BT are offering. I don't think many fans would be prepared to sub to yet another provider for sport long term.
Exactly my thoughts
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