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Old 15-03-2019, 12:34   #8641
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Re: Brexit

I'll chuck an obscure one in to show why we're different from them over the channel.

In Old English, our nouns took gender; by Middle English, gender had largely disappeared and by Tudor times had completely disappeared.

This subconscious tendency is part of what's in our heads and the way we go about things. They (Europe) are fixated on the letter of their laws and the complexity of the conjugations with no tendency to simplify (one of the reasons they all learn English as second language).

We were never a good fit for the EU; it should have stayed the EEC.


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Old 15-03-2019, 12:41   #8642
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WATCH: Moment Tory MP Damian Green LOSES IT at Remainer


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...idington-video

i have to say i agree this idiot has ruined every tv interview for months.
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WATCH: Moment Tory MP Damian Green LOSES IT at Remainer


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...idington-video

i have to say i agree this idiot has ruined every tv interview for months.
I could think of a few more W*****s, though in Parliament.
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Old 15-03-2019, 12:57   #8644
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He said there should be a second referendum if Leave lost.
So bloody what?

Just because Farage is a Brexiteer, he doesn’t speak for me, this is the issue with some of you Remainers, you sweep us up as all the same. Pathetic.

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He said there should be a second referendum if Leave lost.

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66 million. They represent everyone.
No they don’t, they represent their “Constituents”, in actual fact. More Constituencies voted to leave.
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Old 15-03-2019, 13:03   #8645
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He said there should be a second referendum if Leave lost.

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66 million. They represent everyone.
Did he? Or was it just referred to as "unfinished business". There certainly wouldn't have been the nasty and dirty campaign that there has been to "Remain".
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Farage told the Mirror: “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.”
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Did he? Or was it just referred to as "unfinished business". There certainly wouldn't have been the nasty and dirty campaign that there has been to "Remain".
From 2016.
Do you have any evidence to support this ridiculous assertion?

No, of course you don't.

Don't start trying to say that one side is whiter than white, when there are idiots on both sides of the camp.
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Old 15-03-2019, 14:18   #8647
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Do you have any evidence to support this ridiculous assertion?

No, of course you don't.

Don't start trying to say that one side is whiter than white, when there are idiots on both sides of the camp.
l could have not have said it better myself.
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Old 15-03-2019, 14:22   #8648
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]Do you have any evidence to support this ridiculous assertion?[/B]

No, of course you don't.

Don't start trying to say that one side is whiter than white, when there are idiots on both sides of the camp.
Have you been living on mars?


And last night the ever popular peoples vote campaign [the losers vote] came to a nearby town

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/n...-empty-2647962


Only about 30 showed up at the Town Hall, nearly half of those were elected officials or those who have attempted to be. Plus a pro-European campaign group from Sunderland
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Have you been living on mars?
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There certainly wouldn't have been the nasty and dirty campaign that there has been to "Remain" is what I'm referring too.

Trying to imply that had it gone the other way elements of the remain campaign would not have tried to do anything possible to get a 2nd bite of the pie would be at best be rather naive.
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Do you have any evidence to support this ridiculous assertion?

No, of course you don't.

Don't start trying to say that one side is whiter than white, when there are idiots on both sides of the camp.
I'm not saying he didn't. I'm looking for proof that he did. The article that refers to him supposedly asking for another referendum only refers in quotes to "unfinished business".
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Old 15-03-2019, 15:55   #8651
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I'll chuck an obscure one in to show why we're different from them over the channel.

In Old English, our nouns took gender; by Middle English, gender had largely disappeared and by Tudor times had completely disappeared.

This subconscious tendency is part of what's in our heads and the way we go about things. They (Europe) are fixated on the letter of their laws and the complexity of the conjugations with no tendency to simplify (one of the reasons they all learn English as second language).

We were never a good fit for the EU; it should have stayed the EEC.


No, it's not - it's that English is the universally accepted language of business...
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No, it's not - it's that English is the universally accepted language of business...
And why would that be? We (and thus the USA) simplified the language.

Anyway, my main point is that were never a good fit for an EU - it's an underlying difference.

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The European mindset is to regulate and harmonise everything. The reasons why are complex, but some of the factors include the European Commission being modelled on the French civil service, which is far more activist than our own (their parliament is also rather weaker, plus they have an executive president) and the fact that most of Europe has been governed by, or invaded by (in some cases both) a nasty dictator within living memory, from which perspective the limiting of the power of national governments seems like quite a sensible idea.

For ourselves, well we had a global empire - again, more or less within living memory - and have bequeathed the world our language, which helps to sustain our understanding of our place in the world. Much about our trade patterns had to change, quickly, in order to fit us into the common market, which is part of the reason why many Brexiteers are so confident that our trade patterns will relatively easily snap back into their natural shape once we’re out.
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The European mindset is to regulate and harmonise everything. The reasons why are complex, but some of the factors include the European Commission being modelled on the French civil service, which is far more activist than our own (their parliament is also rather weaker, plus they have an executive president) and the fact that most of Europe has been governed by, or invaded by (in some cases both) a nasty dictator within living memory, from which perspective the limiting of the power of national governments seems like quite a sensible idea.

For ourselves, well we had a global empire - again, more or less within living memory - and have bequeathed the world our language, which helps to sustain our understanding of our place in the world. Much about our trade patterns had to change, quickly, in order to fit us into the common market, which is part of the reason why many Brexiteers are so confident that our trade patterns will relatively easily snap back into their natural shape once we’re out.
I agree with much of what you've said.

With regard to the highlighted paragraph, the key words used were "common market". The Brexiteers had no problem with that. As to our trade patters snapping back to a natural shape, well that's up in the air. I think that a new "natural shape" will evolve provided that we are not locked into anything that the Political Statement says - a total shackle on our competitiveness.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7qZhlrbcB8 - David Cameron's leave means leave speech. Worth a watch just to see just how stupid it all is now.
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