Home News Forum Articles
  Welcome back Join CF
You are here You are here: Home | Forum | Brexit (Old)

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most of the discussions, articles and other free features. By joining our Virgin Media community you will have full access to all discussions, be able to view and post threads, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own images/photos, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please join our community today.


Welcome to Cable Forum
Go Back   Cable Forum > General Discussion > Current Affairs

Brexit (Old)
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old 15-03-2019, 17:40   #8656
Chris
Trollsplatter
Cable Forum Team
 
Chris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: North of Watford
Services: Humane elimination of all common Internet pests
Posts: 31,519
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Re: Brexit

The common market is what it was called at the time. I’m not making a value judgment, just calling it by its name.

Remember that the withdrawal agreement is only designed to cover the next 2 years and the political statement has no legal force. The most important thing that will be achieved by Teresa May’s Deal, if it can get through Parliament, is to establish that “Brexit means Brexit” - we are leaving the customs union and the single market (which, further to your point, is less about a single selling space and more about a single set of regulations).
Chris is offline  
Advertisement
Old 15-03-2019, 17:44   #8657
Hugh
Hic Sunt Dracones
Cable Forum Team
 
Hugh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Age: 62
Services: Premiere Collection
Posts: 32,505
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Re: Brexit

Snap back to what?

We don’t have the export markets we had in the 50s and 60s (hangovers from the days of Empire), and with modern JIT (Just In Time) production methods, the trade patterns of the world have irrevocably changed from pre-EEC days.
__________________
If my post is in bold and this colour, it's a Moderator Request.
Hugh is offline  
Old 15-03-2019, 18:53   #8658
Mr K
Lefty Liberal Remoaner
 
Mr K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Services: TV, Phone, BB, a goldfish
Posts: 4,616
Mr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appeal
Mr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appeal
Re: Brexit

The DUP love being the centre to of attention. You can see them revelling in it. Trouble is TM needs a few more votes than they can offer....
Mr K is offline  
Old 15-03-2019, 19:22   #8659
Chris
Trollsplatter
Cable Forum Team
 
Chris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: North of Watford
Services: Humane elimination of all common Internet pests
Posts: 31,519
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Re: Brexit

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K View Post
The DUP love being the centre to of attention. You can see them revelling in it. Trouble is TM needs a few more votes than they can offer....
MV3 will be close, and I wouldnít bet against it going through. The ERG seems to be starting to get the message that this is as hard a Brexit as its going to be.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47584616
Chris is offline  
Old 15-03-2019, 19:23   #8660
1andrew1
cf.mega poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 5,923
1andrew1 has reached the bronze age
1andrew1 has reached the bronze age1andrew1 has reached the bronze age1andrew1 has reached the bronze age1andrew1 has reached the bronze age1andrew1 has reached the bronze age1andrew1 has reached the bronze age1andrew1 has reached the bronze age1andrew1 has reached the bronze age1andrew1 has reached the bronze age1andrew1 has reached the bronze age1andrew1 has reached the bronze age1andrew1 has reached the bronze age1andrew1 has reached the bronze age1andrew1 has reached the bronze age1andrew1 has reached the bronze age1andrew1 has reached the bronze age1andrew1 has reached the bronze age1andrew1 has reached the bronze age1andrew1 has reached the bronze age
Re: Brexit

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris View Post
Much about our trade patterns had to change, quickly, in order to fit us into the common market, which is part of the reason why many Brexiteers are so confident that our trade patterns will relatively easily snap back into their natural shape once weíre out.
What is their natural shape? The gravity model suggests that greater distances weaken the attractiveness of trade and proximity increases it. Therefore, a high proportion of our trade should be with the EU and not with former colonies like Australia and Canada.
1andrew1 is online now  
Old 15-03-2019, 19:35   #8661
jfman
Architect of Ideas
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,468
jfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these parts
Re: Brexit

It's easy from here on in. Extend article 50 for a short period of time then wait until the definite definite last minute and tell them we really really mean it this time and they'll give us the easiest trade deal in history. They need us more than we need them. They'll be begging us for a deal.
jfman is online now  
Old 15-03-2019, 19:56   #8662
Mr K
Lefty Liberal Remoaner
 
Mr K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Services: TV, Phone, BB, a goldfish
Posts: 4,616
Mr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appeal
Mr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appealMr K has a bronzed appeal
Re: Brexit

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris View Post
MV3 will be close, and I wouldnít bet against it going through. The ERG seems to be starting to get the message that this is as hard a Brexit as its going to be.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47584616
Even with the ERG and DUP, backing them, the Govt. lost a vote the other night...

Suspect they'll squeak it through somehow as most MPs will be bored by now. So we'll get a Brexit that will make us worse off and subservient to the EU, perhaps forever, with no voting rights. Party on Brexiteers !
Mr K is offline  
Old 15-03-2019, 20:21   #8663
007stuart
cf.addict
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Glasgow
Services: TIVO V6 Meg Service TV XL Virgin Phone Home & Mobile My wife says I have too many SONOS units
Posts: 384
007stuart has entered a golden reputation era007stuart has entered a golden reputation era007stuart has entered a golden reputation era007stuart has entered a golden reputation era007stuart has entered a golden reputation era007stuart has entered a golden reputation era007stuart has entered a golden reputation era007stuart has entered a golden reputation era007stuart has entered a golden reputation era007stuart has entered a golden reputation era007stuart has entered a golden reputation era
Re: Brexit

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman View Post
It's easy from here on in. Extend article 50 for a short period of time then wait until the definite definite last minute and tell them we really really mean it this time and they'll give us the easiest trade deal in history. They need us more than we need them. They'll be begging us for a deal.
I'm with you on this, they really really really really need us.

007stuart is offline  
Old 15-03-2019, 20:25   #8664
richard s
cf.mega poster
 
richard s's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Near France
Services: Tivo XL 150mb broadband L phone
Posts: 1,664
richard s has a very nice sixpackrichard s has a very nice sixpackrichard s has a very nice sixpackrichard s has a very nice sixpackrichard s has a very nice sixpackrichard s has a very nice sixpackrichard s has a very nice sixpackrichard s has a very nice sixpackrichard s has a very nice sixpackrichard s has a very nice sixpackrichard s has a very nice sixpackrichard s has a very nice sixpackrichard s has a very nice sixpackrichard s has a very nice sixpackrichard s has a very nice sixpackrichard s has a very nice sixpack
Re: Brexit

More bribe money for the DUP sounds like an extortion racket more like.
__________________
ALL RELIGION SUCKS
richard s is offline  
Old 15-03-2019, 20:36   #8665
Sephiroth
Simples
 
Sephiroth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: RG41
Services: Vivid 200;Hub 3 MM; ASUS RT-AC68U. BT Infinity2; Tivo; V6; XL Phone; Devolo 1200AV
Posts: 6,207
Sephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze array
Sephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze array
Re: Brexit

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 View Post
What is their natural shape? The gravity model suggests that greater distances weaken the attractiveness of trade and proximity increases it. Therefore, a high proportion of our trade should be with the EU and not with former colonies like Australia and Canada.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_model_of_trade

A "suggestion" does not validate the Gravity Model. The referenced article has much to say on this especially the countervailing viewpoint.


__________________
Seph.

My advice is at your risk.
Sephiroth is offline  
Old 15-03-2019, 20:39   #8666
pip08456
Sad Doig Fan!
 
pip08456's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Barry South Wales
Age: 62
Services: Now back with VM for BB & phone. 50Mb service.
Posts: 7,786
pip08456 is cast in bronzepip08456 is cast in bronzepip08456 is cast in bronzepip08456 is cast in bronze
pip08456 is cast in bronzepip08456 is cast in bronzepip08456 is cast in bronzepip08456 is cast in bronzepip08456 is cast in bronzepip08456 is cast in bronzepip08456 is cast in bronzepip08456 is cast in bronzepip08456 is cast in bronzepip08456 is cast in bronzepip08456 is cast in bronzepip08456 is cast in bronze
Re: Brexit

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris View Post
MV3 will be close, and I wouldn’t bet against it going through. The ERG seems to be starting to get the message that this is as hard a Brexit as its going to be.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47584616
I'm inclined to agree.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman View Post
It's easy from here on in. Extend article 50 for a short period of time then wait until the definite definite last minute and tell them we really really mean it this time and they'll give us the easiest trade deal in history. They need us more than we need them. They'll be begging us for a deal.
You can thank the lily livered remain MP's and there endless efforts to thwart Brexit for that.
pip08456 is offline  
Old 15-03-2019, 20:52   #8667
jfman
Architect of Ideas
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,468
jfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these partsjfman is just so famous around these parts
Re: Brexit

It’d have been harder to thwart if it was a single vision.

However it isn’t, it’s a vast range of different views and ideologies from the dog whistle xenophobia, extreme unregulated capitalism, nationalism and even some socialists. Each wants and expects different post-Brexit outcomes.

You’ve even got Liam Fox and David Davis on one side, Mogg, Johnson and Raab on the other. Unless the Conservative party is the only place these divisions exist then leavers have different and often mutually exclusive desires.

The most popular outcome expressed as anything other than a binary choice is to remain. It’s up to leavers to unify their position.
jfman is online now  
Old 15-03-2019, 20:54   #8668
mrmistoffelees
067
 
mrmistoffelees's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Middlesbrough
Age: 42
Services: Many
Posts: 2,409
mrmistoffelees has a bronzed appealmrmistoffelees has a bronzed appeal
mrmistoffelees has a bronzed appealmrmistoffelees has a bronzed appealmrmistoffelees has a bronzed appealmrmistoffelees has a bronzed appealmrmistoffelees has a bronzed appealmrmistoffelees has a bronzed appealmrmistoffelees has a bronzed appealmrmistoffelees has a bronzed appealmrmistoffelees has a bronzed appealmrmistoffelees has a bronzed appealmrmistoffelees has a bronzed appealmrmistoffelees has a bronzed appealmrmistoffelees has a bronzed appeal
Re: Brexit

Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 View Post
I'm inclined to agree.



You can thank the lily livered remain MP's and there endless efforts to thwart Brexit for that.


Ah yes itís the remainders fault, not the fact that the EU hold the high ground, the fact that weíre the ones leaving but attempting to dictate terms. You were told this is what would happen. you were warned that we would not be in strong position but you chose to dismiss it as Ďproject fearí

Give your head a shake, we were never ever going to get a good withdrawal agreement.
__________________
Nerves of steel, heart of gold, knob of butter......
mrmistoffelees is offline  
Old 15-03-2019, 21:01   #8669
Chris
Trollsplatter
Cable Forum Team
 
Chris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: North of Watford
Services: Humane elimination of all common Internet pests
Posts: 31,519
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Re: Brexit

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman View Post
Itíd have been harder to thwart if it was a single vision.

However it isnít, itís a vast range of different views and ideologies from the dog whistle xenophobia, extreme unregulated capitalism, nationalism and even some socialists. Each wants and expects different post-Brexit outcomes.

Youíve even got Liam Fox and David Davis on one side, Mogg, Johnson and Raab on the other. Unless the Conservative party is the only place these divisions exist then leavers have different and often mutually exclusive desires.

The most popular outcome expressed as anything other than a binary choice is to remain. Itís up to leavers to unify their position.
Iíve seen some intellectual acrobatics on this forum but thatís truly special.

Political consensus is always a coalition and a compromise. Leavers may wish to get various things out of Brexit, but they all agreed that Brexit was the way to achieve their aims. They formed a coalition and won a majority. Thatís how every other part of our political process works.
Chris is offline  
Old 15-03-2019, 21:02   #8670
Sephiroth
Simples
 
Sephiroth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: RG41
Services: Vivid 200;Hub 3 MM; ASUS RT-AC68U. BT Infinity2; Tivo; V6; XL Phone; Devolo 1200AV
Posts: 6,207
Sephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze array
Sephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze array
Re: Brexit

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman View Post
Itíd have been harder to thwart if it was a single vision.

However it isnít, itís a vast range of different views and ideologies from the dog whistle xenophobia, extreme unregulated capitalism, nationalism and even some socialists. Each wants and expects different post-Brexit outcomes.

Youíve even got Liam Fox and David Davis on one side, Mogg, Johnson and Raab on the other. Unless the Conservative party is the only place these divisions exist then leavers have different and often mutually exclusive desires.

The most popular outcome expressed as anything other than a binary choice is to remain. Itís up to leavers to unify their position.
It's also up to Remainers to respect the Referendum result.


__________________
Seph.

My advice is at your risk.
Sephiroth is offline  
Closed Thread


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 01:15.


Server: xenon.zmnt.net
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.