30-03-2019, 13:06
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Re: Sex Ed in Schools
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There’s no shame in not knowing about something, but it’s not something to be proud of, either...
When you stop learning, you stop growing...
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I never stop learning - but love, lust and related matters are entirely natural. The moment you nanny it into school, perspectives emerge and the natural order is at risk.
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30-03-2019, 13:16
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Re: Sex Ed in Schools
Is there a 'danger' that maybe some of the more . . erm . . susceptible . . children may be overwhelmed by the intricacies of sex education at a young age?
I think we didn't get any sex education until age 12 or 13, by which time it was all giggles and innuendo in the classroom during the lessons
I and many of my associates didn't grow up to be 'confused' about our gender, we were having too much fun playing and growing up to let all that grown up stuff affect us.
Shame schools don't push more on teaching manners & respect instead of sex education IMO
I appreciate kids are much more aware of many things at an earlier age nowadays, and they now have instant access to anything and everything at their finger tips . . something which wasn't a boon (or a problem? ) for us.
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30-03-2019, 13:57
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Re: Sex Ed in Schools
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There’s no shame in not knowing about something, but it’s not something to be proud of, either...
When you stop learning, you stop growing...
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"The roots of education are bitter but the fruit is sweet"
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30-03-2019, 14:05
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Re: Sex Ed in Schools
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Exactly! But then I'm retired secondary teacher with an GCE in Human biology so I would support sex education anyway..and leave parents out of the equation because it's not them that's being educated.I think deliberately keeping your child ignorant about sex amounts to child abuse. I'm entirely on the side of the child.
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The worst for being anti SRE seem to be sanctimonious parents, who claim that because they are happy to educate their children in SRE, that everyone else should be too. Completely missing the irony of their ignorance about what SRE actually covers; or that the very children who need this education, are those whose parents are uncomfortable discussing the subject.
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30-03-2019, 14:13
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Re: Sex Ed in Schools
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
I never stop learning - but love, lust and related matters are entirely natural. The moment you nanny it into school, perspectives emerge and the natural order is at risk.
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The biological imperative is natural.
Everything else is part of the rules a society makes and these have to be taught and learnt.
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Shame schools don't push more on teaching manners & respect instead of sex education IMO
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You mean like:
https://assets.publishing.service.go...ent_PSHEv2.pdf
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As mentioned, we will ensure the subjects are carefully designed to safeguard and support pupils and are deliverable for schools. Nevertheless, we are clear on the themes and issues they should cover, in an age-appropriate way, to achieve this. Relationships and RSE will be age-appropriate, building knowledge and life skills over time in a way that prepares pupils for issues they will soon face. They will likely focus on: - different types of relationships, including friendships, family relationships, dealing with strangers and, at secondary school, intimate relationships;
- how to recognise, understand and build healthy relationships, including self-respect and respect for others, commitment, tolerance, boundaries and consent, and how to manage conflict, and also how to recognise unhealthy relationships;
- how relationships may affect health and wellbeing, including mental health;
- healthy relationships and safety online; and
- factual knowledge, at secondary school, around sex, sexual health and sexuality, set firmly within the context of relationships.
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30-03-2019, 14:52
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Re: Sex Ed in Schools
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Originally Posted by Carth
Is there a 'danger' that maybe some of the more . . erm . . susceptible . . children may be overwhelmed by the intricacies of sex education at a young age?
I think we didn't get any sex education until age 12 or 13, by which time it was all giggles and innuendo in the classroom during the lessons
I and many of my associates didn't grow up to be 'confused' about our gender, we were having too much fun playing and growing up to let all that grown up stuff affect us.
Shame schools don't push more on teaching manners & respect instead of sex education IMO
I appreciate kids are much more aware of many things at an earlier age nowadays, and they now have instant access to anything and everything at their finger tips . . something which wasn't a boon (or a problem? ) for us.
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Yes, children have access to porn from a very early age in a way that we didn't (IIRC at an average age of 8). As you will probably know, porn gives a false perception of what a loving relationship is and how to treat your sexual partner, so it's important that this is balanced by proper education.
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30-03-2019, 15:20
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Re: Sex Ed in Schools
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
I never stop learning - but love, lust and related matters are entirely natural. The moment you nanny it into school, perspectives emerge and the natural order is at risk.
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If these things are ‘natural’, why do so many seem to get them wrong, and treat them as transactional (at best), as many young men focus on the physical aspects (often badly, as they don’t understand female anatomy), rather than the emotional aspects of relationships (which is a major part of the teaching).
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30-03-2019, 15:32
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Re: Sex Ed in Schools
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. . . many young men focus on the physical aspects (often badly, as they don’t understand female anatomy), rather than the emotional aspects of relationships (which is a major part of the teaching).
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I think you'll find that 70% of 'young men' (and young women) on a night out are focusing on what they might get that night, and not long term emotional involvement
Long term emotional involvement usually happens quite a while later . . unless it's 'love at first snakebite'
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30-03-2019, 16:50
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Re: Sex Ed in Schools
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I never stop learning - but love, lust and related matters are entirely natural. The moment you nanny it into school, perspectives emerge and the natural order is at risk.
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Sex education has been in school for a while now already and it's not really harmed anything. If anything it's also seen as one of the reasons teenage pregnancy declined after spiking in the late 90s/early 00s.
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30-03-2019, 17:15
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Re: Sex Ed in Schools
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Originally Posted by Carth
I think you'll find that 70% of 'young men' (and young women) on a night out are focusing on what they might get that night, and not long term emotional involvement
Long term emotional involvement usually happens quite a while later . . unless it's 'love at first snakebite'
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True, but these lessons will focus on the futility of this as well as the risks of promiscuity/one night stands e.g. sexually transmitted diseases.
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30-03-2019, 17:31
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Re: Sex Ed in Schools
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True, but these lessons will focus on the futility of this as well as the risks of promiscuity/one night stands e.g. sexually transmitted diseases.
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Some things will never change, lessons or not.
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30-03-2019, 19:32
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Re: Sex Ed in Schools
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter
Yes, children have access to porn from a very early age in a way that we didn't (IIRC at an average age of 8). As you will probably know, porn gives a false perception of what a loving relationship is and how to treat your sexual partner, so it's important that this is balanced by proper education.
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---------- Post added at 18:32 ---------- Previous post was at 18:29 ----------
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Some things will never change, lessons or not.
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So we shouldn't even TRY?
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30-03-2019, 22:10
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Re: Sex Ed in Schools
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True, but these lessons will focus on the futility of this as well as the risks of promiscuity/one night stands e.g. sexually transmitted diseases.
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Oh, yeah! And does anyone really believe that teachers will actually change that?
I do think that boys need to be taught how better to behave in a relationship, and that might well do some good, but casual relationships are another matter altogether.
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