28-02-2018, 14:29
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Re: Brexit discussion
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There is no such thing as 'any old brexit agreement' The choices on the ballot paper were clear, leave or stay, not stay half in, half out.
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What Brexit actually means, could mean a wide range of things depending on what's agreed. There is a strong argument for the people to have a say on the agreement if they ever come up with one. That isn't redoing the Brexit vote, it'd be a totally separate and more important question.
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28-02-2018, 14:40
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Re: Brexit discussion
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What Brexit actually means, could mean a wide range of things depending on what's agreed. There is a strong argument for the people to have a say on the agreement if they ever come up with one. That isn't redoing the Brexit vote, it'd be a totally separate and more important question.
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And that is one of the points l was making as thus so far no agreement is in sight or likely to be the way talks are progressing as the government can't even form a united front on many issues.
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28-02-2018, 14:52
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Re: Brexit discussion
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What Brexit actually means, could mean a wide range of things depending on what's agreed. There is a strong argument for the people to have a say on the agreement if they ever come up with one. That isn't redoing the Brexit vote, it'd be a totally separate and more important question.
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But then you would just want another vote when that didn't go your way .
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28-02-2018, 15:49
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Re: Brexit discussion
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By a few l would say as most have accepted the Brexit result but that does not mean people should accept any old Brexit agreement willy nilly as people want a agreement suitable for all the country and not just for some and a agreement that makes us prosper and not end up in the poorhouse for the next 10 years.
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Er, I think that is precisely what the government is proposing! It's Labour's current ruse that would end up making everyone poorer, as most of their policies would.
A Brexit with a customs union would be the worst possible outcome. That would mean we couldn't forge our own trade deals, which is the whole point of Brexit, and we would also end up making a financial contribution to boot! Poorer for us on two counts.
Brexit means Brexit. Not a half hearted attempt to make it look as though you're listening to the people and not succeeding.
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You could also call it democracy and free speech which we should be proud to have in this country.  |
Nobody mentioned shutting down debate or letting people have their say, Den.
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No one has said that. The rest of your statement is just pure fantasy island, as divorced from reality as Claire Foy is divorced from Stephen Campbell Moore.
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'Countries most likely to sign trade deals are small developed countries.'
Who said that? Oh, look, you did!
As for Fantasy Island, I think that is where you are right now, Andrew, given your unrelenting negativity and clutching at straws with every left wing or anti-Brexit view you can muster. You can tell yourself you are right if you like, but you are in for a big disappointment before much longer. We are getting out of the EU, single market and customs union. That's all there is to know at the moment.
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28-02-2018, 16:25
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Re: Brexit discussion
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Brexit means Brexit.
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 which means what exactly??
No one knows. Even the govt,. is still having meetings/arguments with itself to try and find out. No wonder the EU is confused by our negotiating position, our ministers are saying different things on different days !
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28-02-2018, 16:32
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Re: Brexit discussion
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which means what exactly??
No one knows. Even the govt,. is still having meetings/arguments with itself to try and find out. No wonder the EU is confused by our negotiating position, our ministers are saying different things on different days !
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but the Brextremists will tell you that's all the EU's fault our government don't know what it wants
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28-02-2018, 16:39
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Re: Brexit discussion
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Er, I think that is precisely what the government is proposing! It's Labour's current ruse that would end up making everyone poorer, as most of their policies would.
A Brexit with a customs union would be the worst possible outcome. That would mean we couldn't forge our own trade deals, which is the whole point of Brexit, and we would also end up making a financial contribution to boot! Poorer for us on two counts.
Brexit means Brexit. Not a half hearted attempt to make it look as though you're listening to the people and not succeeding.
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Perhaps you need to listen to a former prime minister of the Conservative party as he thinks the prime minister’s has a very “unrealistic” Brexit strategy and one that is doomed to failure if it continues on its present course..
https://www.ft.com/content/3a136f9a-...a-43db76e69936
http://www.cityam.com/281428/john-ma...ferendum-table
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ndum?CMP=fb_gu
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28-02-2018, 16:54
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Re: Brexit discussion
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28-02-2018, 16:56
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Not as good as the Maggie one IMO. 
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28-02-2018, 16:57
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Re: Brexit discussion
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I'd rather not. Listening to John Major is nauseating at best. John Major never even gave people a vote or a choice when it came to the signing of the Maastricht Treaty in February 1992. The guy is an utter bloody hypocrite.
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28-02-2018, 17:02
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Re: Brexit discussion
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I'd rather not. Listening to John Major is nauseating at best. John Major never even gave people a vote or a choice when it came to the signing of the Maastricht Treaty in February 1992. The guy is an utter bloody hypocrite.
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Oh I don't know, he likes cricket so can't be that bad
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28-02-2018, 17:09
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Re: Brexit discussion
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And he talks more common sense then this current lot who have no clue which way they are travelling and are led by a weak incapacitated leader who cannot lead strongly but is being led by others.
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28-02-2018, 17:36
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Re: Brexit discussion
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And he talks more common sense then this current lot who have no clue which way they are travelling and are led by a weak incapacitated leader who cannot lead strongly but is being led by others.
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He is not talking common sense IMO. The guy is an utter plank and an 'has been', just like Tony Blair, that needs to stay where he belongs, in history.
John Major didn't give people a say when he signed the Maastricht Treaty, so why should he insist people now get another referendum when he didn't even give one at all?
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28-02-2018, 18:29
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Re: Brexit discussion
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He is not talking common sense IMO. The guy is an utter plank and an 'has been', just like Tony Blair, that needs to stay where he belongs, in history.
John Major didn't give people a say when he signed the Maastricht Treaty, so why should he insist people now get another referendum when he didn't even give one at all?
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Well he, along with every living Prime Minister, including Theresa, campaigned to remain in the EU. They must know something about how our trade works. Ever since the vote our Govt. has been in chaos.
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28-02-2018, 18:44
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Re: Brexit discussion
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Well he, along with every living Prime Minister, including Theresa, campaigned to remain in the EU. They must know something about how our trade works. Ever since the vote our Govt. has been in chaos.
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He knew very little, was a heavy defender of the ERM (Exchange Rate Mechanism) and Mrs T. warned him about it but to no avail, the £ crashed out of the ERM, AKA "Black Wednesday".
During the ERM crisis interest rates had peaked at 12%, can you imagine that happening today, and peoples mortgages payments literally increasing tenfold.
I'll be taking no lectures from Major on financial & trade issues.
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