Brexit discussion

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Oh shut up MrK you constantly prattle on about the same rubbish and coming from you and others it's ironic given you've done nothing but moan, insult and insinuate since the referendum we couldn't match your remoaning without a good few years of practice. As usual you won't respond on anything negative about the EU so what is your view on the leaked document that shows the EU plans to punish the UK during the transitional phase??????.

And where do you get all the negative EU stuff from - Farage ? the tabloids? or Torygraph, who uncover a 'secret EU plot' every day... The ' punishment' is nothing new, it's part of the deal we'd sign up to. If I was the EU I'd tell us to naff off with our transition, and let us flounder. We've created this mess, our problem.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Another of the usual suspects that has selective viewing and won't answer a simple asked question not surprised par for the course these days.

Another label uncalled for to be perfectly honest as none of us are the usual suspects as everybody has differing views and opinions on here the last time l heard..

Probably the same place you get most of your garbage from fantasyland seems to suit you well and the fact your ok with a punitive action by the EU speaks volumes about you and makes it abundantly clear this is not the forum for any discussion. I doubt there's a limit to how far you'd allow the EU to go demonstrates perfectly why this country is in the mess it is and while I haven't used the term traitor it would certainly be the closest term to describe some.

Well Denphone I've tried to be more to the polite side of things and it clearly doesn't work here and I'm tired of the constant claims of moaning to come from brexiters by a group that's done nothing but moan, whinge, bitch and complain since they lost the referendum. I have also put up good reasons why i and many i know voted leave only to have the ridiculous red bus rubbish resurface again and again. It's my mistake i thought maybe things had changed around here clearly not so I'll be off again maybe in six months things will change won't hold my breath.

[Gavin78]

Why do you assume that being in the EU is the be all and end all of life? All these other countries that are not part of the EU seem to be trading ok. China, America, Russia etc if anything they are doing better.

We are being held back by outdated countries that live in the past, you want to trade with us well pay Billions in first then we let you trade and we make the rules on how you govern your country. I mean whats that all about? freedom of movement doesn't work for everything.

You can get skilled people without freedom of movement from all the said countries with it. the only thing freedom of movement brings is those wanting to take up low skilled paid jobs.

Once we have gone from the EU the cracks will appear all over it might take some more years before it shows but they'll be no doubt other governments will want to govern themselves on all aspects. they'll sit there for years to see how well the UK does on it's own. Then the shit will happen.

It's only the likes of a few EU countries like Germany as the ring leader with a few closer followers that while they might all have an equal vote. behind closed doors is where the real influence starts and Germany is at the top of the table with a few bully boys.

The UK as a few friends I think these will show in a few years they don't want to upset the apple cart yet.

Remain voters are followers they can't take the lead, they can't think for themselves hence the EU.

Brexit voters are strong people these are the people who in a war you want on side, strong willed, independant and know what they want.

Just take that into account when the EU falls apart and is no more the'll come running to us for advice.

[Mr K]

China, Russia and America have slightly bigger and stronger economies than us ! Being outside the EU will give us a much weaker hand in trade deals. Some Brexiters still think we have an Empire; we don't and we're relatively small.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mr K

China, Russia and America have slightly bigger and stronger economies than us ! Being outside the EU will give us a much weaker hand in trade deals. Some Brexiters still think we have an Empire; we don't and we're relatively small.

If our hardworking civil servants are disparaged for their independent analysis and everyone in the UK who publishes an impact assessment is deemed a lying, treacherous remoaner, what chance do you stand with your facts?

All Members are reminded not to use terms such as 'Usual Suspects' to describe any member. Thanks.

It seems appropriate to remind people of the first post in this thread

New thread to discuss Brexit.

Guidelines

The constant baiting, belittling of either side of the vote needs to end. The new thread must be a reasonable and a frank debate, it's impossible to agree on this topic but none of this "he/she is thick" or "you're a snowflake". This is not Facebook or twitter.

Please adhere to these guidelines - if you feel you can't, please walk away from the keyboard until you can.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

I voted leave <skip a bit> most leave voters had reached that decision a long time before we got the chance to vote.

In my opinion, that is one of the things that swung it. The Government (whoever they were) had long ignored the voices of dissent, and once the chance of a vote came along we embraced it willingly.

It appears the pen is mightier than the (s)word.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

This is independent analysis produced by a pro-Brexit government. You would need to be smoking an unusual brand of ciogarette to think it's Project Fear! It's Project Reality!

No, it's not reality. This is yet another flawed forecast that factors in all the negatives and simply fails to take account of the new opportunities.

Just as a vote to leave the EU did not lead to the near disaster as predicted by the remainers, so the real deal at the end of all this will produce more benefits than setbacks.

There may be some wobbles between now and then, but that's just because the markets don't like uncertainty. It will pass.

---------- Post added at 16:54 ---------- Previous post was at 16:45 ----------

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If our hardworking civil servants are disparaged for their independent analysis and everyone in the UK who publishes an impact assessment is deemed a lying, treacherous remoaner, what chance do you stand with your facts?

Did you notice that you used 'civil servants' and 'independent analysis' in the same sentence?

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

No, it's not reality. This is yet another flawed forecast that factors in all the negatives and simply fails to take account of the new opportunities.

Are there figures if we take in to account the new opportunities? The leaked report, for its' sins, does include the effects of a UK/US trade deal (2% of GDP rise) I haven't seen anything for deals with India, China, etc.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Are there figures if we take in to account the new opportunities? The leaked report, for its' sins, does include the effects of a UK/US trade deal (2% of GDP rise) I haven't seen anything for deals with India, China, etc.

The reports do include the benefits of trade deals with many countries. For reasons I can't fathom, old Boy ignores this. The Government's analysis states free trade with the rest of the world would add less than 1% in GDP whilst leaving the EU would result in a 2%-8% reduction in GDP. https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonard...P3#.pn0jkvELzp

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The reports do include the benefits of trade deals with many countries. For reasons I can't fathom, old Boy ignores this. The Government's analysis states free trade with the rest of the world would add less than 1% in GDP
whilst leaving the EU would result in a 2%-8% reduction in GDP. https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonard...P3#.pn0jkvELzp

Well, that says it all, doesn't it? Less than 1%. That's all these 'independent civil servants' were able to bring themselves to admit!

The rest of the world is rather bigger than the EU, and 'less than 1%' is an embarrassing understatement that will come back to haunt them.

[Carth]

I find this bit interesting "leaving the EU would result in a 2%-8% reduction in GDP"

It seems strange they couldn't narrow it down any better than 2% - 8%, which is a rather large margin considering less than 1% was the other 'option'

[Mr K]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8201286.html

The Japanese ambassador has warned Theresa May that his country’s firms will quit Britain if a botched Brexit makes it “unprofitable” to stay.

Koji Tsuruoka laid bare growing nervousness about the impact of EU withdrawal on the Japanese car giants, banks and tech companies after meeting the Prime Minister in Downing Street.

“If there is no profitability of continuing operation in [the] UK, not Japanese only, no private company can continue'

The warning comes after the Japanese government, in a leaked letter, called on Ms May to keep Britain in the EU single market and customs union and maintain a free flow of workers..

We really need to wake up to what Brexit will mean in practice, the rest of the World owes us nothing.