Britain outside the EU

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

That's a law of economics I've not come across before!

It has to, so it will.

Akin to 'needs must'.

Or to quote it in full

"Needs must when the devil drives…"

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Sephonomics. It has to, so it will. A niche economic theory based on the supposition that British business will overcome economic reality based on the 20th century doctrine of British exceptionalism.

Nicely put Andrew. A variation on King Canute if you will

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Nicely put Andrew. A variation on King Canute if you will

Saint Jude was working overtime last night!

[Sephiroth]

You are both being very silly.

As I’ve already said, the baseline was reset by Covid. Had we remained in the EU, we would be no better off economically than we are now. There is no mutual ‘pull’ there - they’re all looking after themselves. Germany is in the deep doldrums, France remains totally up itself, Holland and Italy are in political turmoil, Poland seems to be doing well, etc.

Because people want to better themselves (=need) and business must make profit to survive (=must), so it will. This has happened before and requires the government to create an investment friendly business regime - which they haven’t properly done.

Had we remained in the EU, we would have had the same stupid government, no independence of action but maybe fewer boat people.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You are both being very silly.

As I’ve already said, the baseline was reset by Covid. Had we remained in the EU, we would be no better off economically than we are now. There is no mutual ‘pull’ there - they’re all looking after themselves. Germany is in the deep doldrums, France remains totally up itself, Holland and Italy are in political turmoil, Poland seems to be doing well, etc.

Because people want to better themselves (=need) and business must make profit to survive (=must), so it will. This has happened before and requires the government to create an investment friendly business regime - which they haven’t properly done.

Had we remained in the EU, we would have had the same stupid government, no independence of action but maybe fewer boat people.

You're again conveniently overlooking all the extra ongoing costs and missed inward opportunities like Tesla going to Germany and not the UK. It's great that Stellantis and Nissan have remained in the UK but to grow we need new investment not new red tape. "Three years on from Brexit and the impact to retailers and consumers has been relatively limited. However, in many ways, the most difficult bit is yet to come, says British Retail Consortium’s Andrew Opie."

That difficult bit is more red tape further denting the UK's Brexit-induced declining productivity.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You're again conveniently overlooking all the extra ongoing costs and missed inward opportunities like Tesla going to Germany and not the UK. It's great that Stellantis and Nissan have remained in the UK but to grow we need new investment not new red tape. "Three years on from Brexit and the impact to retailers and consumers has been relatively limited. However, in many ways, the most difficult bit is yet to come, says British Retail Consortium’s Andrew Opie."

That difficult bit is more red tape further denting the UK's Brexit-induced declining productivity.

The bit I've highlighted' is a caution we must heed. That's why I call for a useful government that will deal with red tape, encourage investment etc. There is no 'Brexit induced decline in productivity'. The Tesla thing is a red herring; who's to say the investment would have come here had we remained in the EU?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The bit I've highlighted' is a caution we must heed. That's why I call for a useful government that will deal with red tape, encourage investment etc. There is no 'Brexit induced decline in productivity'. The Tesla thing is a red herring; who's to say the investment would have come here had we remained in the EU?

Dealing with red tape = implementing UK bureaucracy which reduces our productivity.

You know that Brexit has caused a reduction in productivity? I've previously referenced the relevant reports.

Tesla and BYD are not red herrings. We had a chance of winning their factories if we were in the EU. We have zero chance being out of the EU per those companies.

[1andrew1]

Another part of Brexit is set to be completed.

Spain ready to sign a deal with Britain on Gibraltar as early as Wednesday - minister

Spain is ready to sign a deal on the post-Brexit status of Gibraltar as early as Wednesday, Spanish Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Albares said, before setting off to meet newly appointed British Foreign Minister David Cameron in Brussels.

Albares said he spoken with Cameron on Monday on the telephone and both men agreed to meet in Brussels to further discuss the status of Gibraltar there.

"Spain put on the table, several months ago, a balanced and generous agreement," Albares said in a Tuesday interview with Spanish TV station Telecinco.

He said he was due to fly to Brussels later on Tuesday, adding: "Spain wants this agreement to be signed tomorrow."

The status of Gibraltar, an enclave at the southern tip of Spain under British rule since the 18th century, and how to police the border with Spain, has been a point of contention since Britain's 2016 vote to leave the European Union.

The enclave was excluded from the exit deal reached between Britain and the EU.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...66250d2b&ei=18

[Sephiroth]

Spain might be ready to sign something. But is the UK? And what are the terms?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Spain might be ready to sign something. But is the UK? And what are the terms?

Don't worry, Seph! We hold all the cards and the deal's oven ready!

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Spain might be ready to sign something. But is the UK? And what are the terms?

It has to, so it will…

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

It has to, so it will…

[1andrew1]

A snowflake whinger loses his court case in a victory for free speech. I wonder if the Daily Mirror's sister publication the Br'Express will cover this?

Sir James Dyson has lost his libel battle against the publisher of the Daily Mirror over an article that branded the billionaire a hypocrite for supporting Brexit before moving his head office to Singapore.

The industrialist, who made his fortune from bagless vacuum cleaners, sued over the column that claimed children would draw the lesson from Dyson that they could “talk the talk, then screw your country”.

But London’s High Court dismissed the inventor’s claim in a ruling handed down on Friday.

The judge, Mr Justice Jay, found the publication amounted to “honest opinion”, one of the defences to defamation in English law. He also said that Dyson had failed to demonstrate “serious harm”.

https://www.ft.com/content/0cde470a-...e-64980de68f39

[1andrew1]

"Some form" is a tad vague but we'll definitely have a closer relationship in the coming years.

UK could rejoin the EU ‘in some form’, ex-Tory manifesto author says
The UK could rejoin the European Union “in some form” as a result of shifting geopolitical fault lines and changing attitudes among Brits, the author of the 2019 Tory manifesto has said.

Rachel Wolf, who co-wrote the Conservatives’ election blueprint four years ago, suggested that the major global upheavals in recent years could change the make-up of the EU as well as the UK’s relationship with the bloc.

It came as Labour peer Lord Mandelson suggested that an alternative trading relationship between the UK and the EU was the more likely outcome after the bitter Brexit years.

Speaking exclusively to i’s new podcast, Labour’s Plan for Power, Ms Wolf, who is co-founder of the political strategy firm Public First, also highlighted the heavily pro-Europe views of younger generations, which could affect the UK’s relationship with the Continent.

“Even since the 2019 election, we’ve had Covid, and we’ve had two major wars. We’re on the verge of, potentially, wars – or at least proxy wars – between China and the US. The whole kind of world order is rearranging itself,” Ms Wolf said.

“And I think in that context, you can imagine the EU itself completely changing what it means to be in the EU completely changing. And I think it’s perfectly possible that we would have to form a different kind of relationship or new relationship or go back in in some form, because I think we’re in an era of radical uncertainty and change.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...7cf4c28b&ei=14