Boxnation, Why not a Wrestling Channel

Originally Posted by Russ

Every show I've ever worked at, the vast majority of the audience has been kids.

Thats the trouble RussTV shows aim themselves at kids as they think especially on commercial tv they are the ones with a lot of disposable income,whilst ignoring the older genertions which are an increasingly large demographic.

But as they say to be right on "its with the kids"

[TheDaddy]

Years ago I was working for OnDigital and suggested at several high level meetings that we should get the wrestling, WWE was on channel 4 back then and WcW was still going to, had we got them the plan was to stick them all on one channel and pad it out with classic old shows, Japanese and British wrestling. Sadly I was over ruled and we went for Championship football instead...

[Rivva]

To be fair there already is somewhere you can watch wrestling on VM it's called the Syfy channel. After all that's where the majority of all the far fetched shows/programmes are shown.

No offence though to the real fans and admirers of the sport out there who I'm sure really enjoy it.

Originally Posted by Rivva

To be fair there already is somewhere you can watch wrestling on VM it's called the Syfy channel.

You've obviously been reading US WWE promos where SmackDown is shown on SyFy. In the UK unless the channel begins with the word 'Sky' you won't be seeing any WWE wrestling.

As for the thread, I can see a WWE Network-eske channel in the same vain as the new F1 channel in a few years time.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Jameseh

You've obviously been reading US WWE promos where SmackDown is shown on SyFy. In the UK unless the channel begins with the word 'Sky' you won't be seeing any WWE wrestling.

Or he could be having a little dig...

[Rivva]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Or he could be having a little dig...

Your'e right TheDaddy it was /is a bit of a dig as you put it but hopefully all taken in a bit of fun.

[Russ]

Yeah, cos it's "all fake, innit"....

[Rivva]

Originally Posted by Russ

Yeah, cos it's "all fake, innit"....

Well yes I'd say it's fake probably along with a lot of other people....

It's just those who actually believe it's real/genuine that I can't understand...

But hey we're all entitled to what we do or don't like..

And like I said earlier if they enjoy it fair play to them.

I don't think any adult thinks that wrestling is unscripted but that doesn't stop people from enjoying it.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Rivva

Well yes I'd say it's fake probably along with a lot of other people....

It depends on what you're calling 'fake'

Originally Posted by Rivva

It's just those who actually believe it's real/genuine that I can't understand...

Kids, you mean?

[Rivva]

Russ

You asked It depends on what I call 'fake'...........................................

Well I think there's enough on You Tube telling you all about that without me having to explain myself.

Then I said it's just those who actually believe it's real/genuine that I can't understand.

Then you said kids, you mean?................................

No I don't mean the kids at all they're there to see their favourites/heroes etc and if it looks real and exciting to them at their age they're going to believe that and why not.

It's the grown up's behaviour I'm on about in the way that they seem to get so enraged and caught up in the moment as though their lives depends on it if their fighter/wrestler is getting beaten etc.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Rivva

Russ

You asked It depends on what I call 'fake'...........................................

Well I think there's enough on You Tube telling you all about that without me having to explain myself.

Then I said it's just those who actually believe it's real/genuine that I can't understand.

Then you said kids, you mean?................................

No I don't mean the kids at all they're there to see their favourites/heroes etc and if it looks real and exciting to them at their age they're going to believe that and why not.

It's the grown up's behaviour I'm on about in the way that they seem to get so enraged and caught up in the moment as though their lives depends on it if their fighter/wrestler is getting beaten etc.

It helps to know a bit about it in order to understand it.

Firstly I and a LOT of others involved with pro wrestling would take great offence at you calling it 'fake'. Seeing as you're refusing to elaborate on what you mean I'll assume you mean nobody ever gets injured and it's totally safe and any time someone appears to be hurt, they're just 'faking' it.

It takes a great deal of skill and training to be a pro wrestler. To execute the moves properly is not 'fake'. To ensure you do not permanently injure the other guy takes practise. You are literally putting your life in his hands each time you step in the ring. You think it's just a case of 2 guys in silly costumes throwing themselves around a ring? Your ignorance is showing. To tell a story, to get (and keep) the crowd interested, that is not fake. It is a skill which needs to be learned.

Are the results and moves predetermined? Yes absolutely and we never pretend otherwise. But the injuries and risks are very real. I once refereed a match where a move was botched by a usually very skillful worker and someone ended up with severe spinal injuries and to this day is paralysed.

I'm pretty sure he feels it is anything but 'fake'.

I assure you nobody other than kids believes the 2 guys really do hate each other and are trying to beat each other up. What the audience does is suspend their disbelief. It's escapism. During the matches they scream and shout as that is part of the show but afterwards nobody comes up to me and asks why I didn't catch someone cheating etc.

When you watch a film, you take it for what it is. Seen The Expendables? See that bit when Dolph Lundgren shoots a bloke in half? You don't say "Oh he didn't really shoot him in half, he's just acting, it's all fake".

No, you take it as part of the performance. When I take my kids to the pantomime each Christmas I have yet to hear anyone say "That's not really a woman, it's a man dressed up" or "That's not really a giant, it's all fake". No, you accept it for what it is.

Wrestling is not everyone's cup of tea, no problem with that. But to call it 'fake' is ignorant and very insulting to the guys who risk their lives and health each time they lace up their boots.

[Kingofthedead4]

Originally Posted by Russ

It helps to know a bit about it in order to understand it.

Firstly I and a LOT of others involved with pro wrestling would take great offence at you calling it 'fake'. Seeing as you're refusing to elaborate on what you mean I'll assume you mean nobody ever gets injured and it's totally safe and any time someone appears to be hurt, they're just 'faking' it.

It takes a great deal of skill and training to be a pro wrestler. To execute the moves properly is not 'fake'. To ensure you do not permanently injure the other guy takes practise. You are literally putting your life in his hands each time you step in the ring. You think it's just a case of 2 guys in silly costumes throwing themselves around a ring? Your ignorance is showing. To tell a story, to get (and keep) the crowd interested, that is not fake. It is a skill which needs to be learned.

Are the results and moves predetermined? Yes absolutely and we never pretend otherwise. But the injuries and risks are very real. I once refereed a match where a move was botched by a usually very skillful worker and someone ended up with severe spinal injuries and to this day is paralysed.

I'm pretty sure he feels it is anything but 'fake'.

I assure you nobody other than kids believes the 2 guys really do hate each other and are trying to beat each other up. What the audience does is suspend their disbelief. It's escapism. During the matches they scream and shout as that is part of the show but afterwards nobody comes up to me and asks why I didn't catch someone cheating etc.

When you watch a film, you take it for what it is. Seen The Expendables? See that bit when Dolph Lundgren shoots a bloke in half? You don't say "Oh he didn't really shoot him in half, he's just acting, it's all fake".

No, you take it as part of the performance. When I take my kids to the pantomime each Christmas I have yet to hear anyone say "That's not really a woman, it's a man dressed up" or "That's not really a giant, it's all fake". No, you accept it for what it is.

Wrestling is not everyone's cup of tea, no problem with that. But to call it 'fake' is ignorant and very insulting to the guys who risk their lives and health each time they lace up their boots.

That is why I enjoy watching wrestling!

[Rivva]

Originally Posted by Russ

It helps to know a bit about it in order to understand it.

Firstly I and a LOT of others involved with pro wrestling would take great offence at you calling it 'fake'. Seeing as you're refusing to elaborate on what you mean I'll assume you mean nobody ever gets injured and it's totally safe and any time someone appears to be hurt, they're just 'faking' it.

It takes a great deal of skill and training to be a pro wrestler. To execute the moves properly is not 'fake'. To ensure you do not permanently injure the other guy takes practise. You are literally putting your life in his hands each time you step in the ring. You think it's just a case of 2 guys in silly costumes throwing themselves around a ring? Your ignorance is showing. To tell a story, to get (and keep) the crowd interested, that is not fake. It is a skill which needs to be learned.

Are the results and moves predetermined? Yes absolutely and we never pretend otherwise. But the injuries and risks are very real. I once refereed a match where a move was botched by a usually very skillful worker and someone ended up with severe spinal injuries and to this day is paralysed.

I'm pretty sure he feels it is anything but 'fake'.

I assure you nobody other than kids believes the 2 guys really do hate each other and are trying to beat each other up. What the audience does is suspend their disbelief. It's escapism. During the matches they scream and shout as that is part of the show but afterwards nobody comes up to me and asks why I didn't catch someone cheating etc.

When you watch a film, you take it for what it is. Seen The Expendables? See that bit when Dolph Lundgren shoots a bloke in half? You don't say "Oh he didn't really shoot him in half, he's just acting, it's all fake".

No, you take it as part of the performance. When I take my kids to the pantomime each Christmas I have yet to hear anyone say "That's not really a woman, it's a man dressed up" or "That's not really a giant, it's all fake". No, you accept it for what it is.

Wrestling is not everyone's cup of tea, no problem with that. But to call it 'fake' is ignorant and very insulting to the guys who risk their lives and health each time they lace up their boots.

If you did notice in my 1st post (#18) I was trying to have a bit of fun that's all. But I did say....... "No offence though to the real fans and admirers of the sport out there who I'm sure really enjoy it".......

Then in my next post (#21) I put...... your'e right it was /is a bit of a dig as you put it but hopefully all taken in a bit of fun.......

And at the bottom of post (#33) I finish by saying....... but hey we're all entitled to what we do or don't like and like and if they enjoy it fair play to them.......

Well from your reply I can tell how passionate you are about wrestling and it's the 'FAKE' term that seems to have hit on a nerve with you.

Well as much as I'm entitled to think what sport/s I enjoy I think you've gathered wrestling isn't my cup of tea.

You are obviously offended by the word 'Fake' - so if I were to rephrase that to wrestling is a professionally well staged sport would you still be offended?

[Russ]

I didn't think for a minute you were intending to offend anyone, but it would have helped if you'd elaborated on your definition of 'fake'.

And I think the term 'sports entertainment' is more apt