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Old 29-10-2017, 01:43   #2386
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Just because they found no evidence, does not mean there was no negligence on her part, she told a pack of lies under oath according to one if the Benghazi victims mothers.
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Just because they found no evidence, does not mean there was no negligence on her part, she told a pack of lies under oath according to one if the Benghazi victims mothers.
Seems there's a different standard of proof/evidence required for some depending on whether it's Trump (always innocent, all evidence is 'fake'), or Clinton (always guilty, no matter what the 'fake' facts say...)
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Old 29-10-2017, 11:01   #2388
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Seems there's a different standard of proof/evidence required for some depending on whether it's Trump (always innocent, all evidence is 'fake'), or Clinton (always guilty, no matter what the 'fake' facts say...)
What part of the Benghazi mother saying Hillary, told a pack of lies under oath, do you not get? Huh ?

That is not a fake fact.

I also notice your own failure to list Trumps recent failures that you said he has made, that these so called ‘distractions’ on the Uranium One scandal, that has not been disproven and Republicans calling for special prosecutor and the Fake Russian Dossier that the Clintons and DNC paid millions to?
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Seems there's a different standard of proof/evidence required for some depending on whether it's Trump (always innocent, all evidence is 'fake'), or Clinton (always guilty, no matter what the 'fake' facts say...)
It seems like Clinton is guilty until proven innocent and Trump innocent until proven guilty. For example, we've seen how a war widow couldn't possibly be correct when discussing the muti-witnessed phone call from Donald Trump yet when the Benghazi mother said Hillary Clinton lied she was obviously correct.

And when it comes to challenging Trump's lack of legislative achievements all I hear is something that most VM customers are well used to hearing. Coming soon!
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It seems like Clinton is guilty until proven innocent and Trump innocent until proven guilty. For example, we've seen how a war widow couldn't possibly be correct when discussing the muti-witnessed phone call from Donald Trump yet when the Benghazi mother said Hillary Clinton lied she was obviously correct.
I never doubted what he said in the phone call, I actually said that what he said, was nothing wrong and he was advised to say what he said by General Kelly, and other military friends of mine say also there was nothing wrong, it was honourable thing to say.

The pathetic Democratic Congresswoman who witnessed the call was being political. Though it turns out her voting on bills history for Veterans shows she voted against most veteran bills that benefits ex military personnel.

Big difference here than you saying what is fact and what isn’t. But as usual, in your rush to defend your liberal buddy, you’ve got yourself in muddle.

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And when it comes to challenging Trump's lack of legislative achievements all I hear is something that most VM customers are well used to hearing. Coming soon!
Lack of what sorry ?

If you’re going to distort the truth because you have an agenda, please stop doing a piss poor job at it.

List of his legislative changes...

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...value=0&page=1

I repeat for the benefit of your ignorance, but Trump’s major budget reforms also passed in the house this week, paving the way for his tax plans to help middle class.
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I never doubted what he said in the phone call, I actually said that what he said, was nothing wrong and he was advised to say what he said by General Kelly, and other military friends of mine say also there was nothing wrong, it was honourable thing to say.

The pathetic Democratic Congresswoman who witnessed the call was being political. Though it turns out her voting on bills history for Veterans shows she voted against most veteran bills that benefits ex military personnel.

Big difference here than you saying what is fact and what isn’t. But as usual, in your rush to defend your liberal buddy, you’ve got yourself in muddle.
You failed to condemn Trump for lying about not saying what he said to the war widow and his follow-up lie about having evidence to back up his claim. Why not be a bit more balanced and do so?
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You failed to condemn Trump for lying about not saying what he said to the war widow and his follow-up lie about having evidence to back up his claim. Why not be a bit more balanced and do so?
No, because you're wrong, again.

He did not lie FFS. What he said was taken out of context to portray him in a bad light, so he is denying he said it, like it is being put out by the liberal media. Then General Kelly, comes out to back up that he advised Trump what to say, to Gold star families on those phonecalls. It's not hard to join the bloody dots, unless one has an agenda like you.

I cannot condemn Trump on 'that' specific phonecall because, you, nor I, have not heard the entire conversation of 'that' phonecall, I cannot judge some line that some POS Democrat, has taken out of it and what was said out of context, then she has gone running to her leftie buddies in the media to try and politicise a story on a dead soldier.
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Meanwhile, as we know, US intelligence agencies have already concluded that the Russian government sought to help Mr Trump win the election. Their current investigation is now looking into whether there were links between Russia and the Trump campaign.
The investigation is apparently getting close to a decision and Trump is not a happy chappy! https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

Good article here about it all. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41796255

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II repeat for the benefit of your ignorance, but Trump’s major budget reforms also passed in the house this week, paving the way for his tax plans to help middle class.
They're now in trouble.
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The National Association of Home Builders, after learning that a “homeownership” tax credit it had wanted will not be in an initial version of the bill, is preparing a nationwide campaign against it. The development underscored just how difficult the prospect of a successful tax overhaul will be, given the complex and competing interests that President Trump and GOP lawmakers are trying to serve.
“We will do everything we can to defeat this thing,” said Jerry Howard, chief executive of the National Association of Home Builders.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...=.36c4a1a0374a
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No, because you're wrong, again.

I cannot condemn Trump on 'that' specific phonecall because, you, nor I, have not heard the entire conversation of 'that' phonecall, I cannot judge some line that some POS Democrat, has taken out of it and what was said out of context, then she has gone running to her leftie buddies in the media to try and politicise a story on a dead soldier.
So you disbelieve the widow and family of the fallen too? Given Trump's long history of making inappropriate comments it really much of a reach to imagine him saying that stuff?

The burden of proof you require seems very different depending on whether or not you like what may be said.

The Uranium One stuff is nonsense.

https://twitter.com/MyDaughtersArmy/...02075170193408

People who scream about fake news the loudest seem to be those who have the most obvious agendas. You seem to refuse to condemn Trump full stop, regardless of the evidence, but take every opportunity to condemn his opponents, whether real or imagined.

Regarding the budget by the way: it's largely meaningless. It was passed in a hurry to allow use of procedures to force tax cuts through without a super-majority and is not binding.
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Old 30-10-2017, 05:44   #2395
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So you disbelieve the widow and family of the fallen too? Given Trump's long history of making inappropriate comments it really much of a reach to imagine him saying that stuff?

The burden of proof you require seems very different depending on whether or not you like what may be said.
You mean the stuff he was ‘advised’ to say, even by a military person such as General Kelly?

As I said, cannot really pass a full judgement, the full conversation is not known. But I found nothing wrong with what was took out of context.

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The Uranium One stuff is nonsense.
I beg to differ, seems some Republican Senators do too and the fact that the Department of Justice lifted a gag order on an FBI informant surrounding the deal, so they can testify in the House.

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People who scream about fake news the loudest seem to be those who have the most obvious agendas. You seem to refuse to condemn Trump full stop, regardless of the evidence, but take every opportunity to condemn his opponents, whether real or imagined.
I had an agenda, it was hoping the DNC and Hillary lost, she did.

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Regarding the budget by the way: it's largely meaningless. It was passed in a hurry to allow use of procedures to force tax cuts through without a super-majority and is not binding.
I’m well aware of the GOPs intent and I wouldn’t call a 4 Trillion dollar budget that just passed, meaningless.
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So what if the donald wrote this letter himself about himself, all it proves is that 20 years ago he was a narcissistic, self obsessed potential psychopath, pretty much the same as he is now really

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b03cd20b80c787

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So you disbelieve the widow and family of the fallen too? Given Trump's long history of making inappropriate comments it really much of a reach to imagine him saying that stuff?

The burden of proof you require seems very different depending on whether or not you like what may be said.
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You mean the stuff he was ‘advised’ to say, even by a military person such as General Kelly?
Yes, just because the general found solace in those words it doesn't mean everyone will, especially someone of a non military bent, it's one of those times imo when it's best not to say anything, just let the person know you'll do anything you can for them and are thinking of them, just a thought, might be the wrong thought but I doubt the call would've ended up being worse than the one he actually made.
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So what if the donald wrote this letter himself about himself, all it proves is that 20 years ago he was a narcissistic, self obsessed potential psychopath, pretty much the same as he is now really

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b03cd20b80c787
Come on Thedaddy, surely you can see this is just pure click bait. Page is just riddled with ads.

I don't deny, he has a high self-promoting, self loving personality, not sure why this is a personality disorder, this is a trait I could also apply to most of the planet.

Most people big themselves up in life. To get a job, to get a partner. It's called living, but not many get to be the President of the United States. Sure, he spent big trying to get there, but Hillary spent much more trying to as well, pretty sure she is a high, self promoter too.

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Yes, just because the general found solace in those words it doesn't mean everyone will, especially someone of a non military bent, it's one of those times imo when it's best not to say anything, just let the person know you'll do anything you can for them and are thinking of them, just a thought, might be the wrong thought but I doubt the call would've ended up being worse than the one he actually made.
Agree, people react differently to different things when they go through grief, General Kelly did actually advise him not to make the call at all, but then Trump thought if he doesn't he will be taken to task by the already Anti-Trump media, he made the call and he still is.
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No surprises here but it's Paul Manafort whose been charged: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/u...cted.html?_r=0
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No surprises here but it's Paul Manafort whose been charged: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/u...cted.html?_r=0
Nope no surprises here at all.

Just released by the Reuters news agency, a Dozen charges are being levied, one of them laundering money and another, conspiracy against the U.S, lots of other issues related to other financial crimes.
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Nope no surprises here at all.
No surprises for the Donald either given the amount of tweets he's been putting out. Anything to distract from his ever nearing appointment with Justice. Manafort might have some interesting info....
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