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Old 26-06-2020, 22:07   #826
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Re: Black Lives Matter

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A bit different from 8 minutes and 46 seconds.
So was it just his neck that was held down, or was it also his chest, which was in REALITY would've been the major cause of whatever.


The guy would've been a much lighter build.
And the result of releasing him was...
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Chandra defended the constables’ actions, saying Prajapat man began punching the policemen as soon as they’d release him.

They couldn't release their hold, until he calmed down and showed remorse for his aggression.


THEY DIDN'T DO IT, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF IT.


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The Dallas County Medical Examiner's office said Monday that Hutcheson died from a combination of the effects of being restrained, cocaine, methamphetamine and hypertensive cardiovascular disease.
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Where were the protests and riots.
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A 48-year-old white Dallas man ran into the lobby of the Dallas County Jail on Aug. 1. He was swarmed by officers, and just minutes later he was dead on the floor.
That and the fact the officers were Black.



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Two more deputies immediately pile onto Hutcheson after he is already on the ground, and one of them appears to press his knee into Hutcheson's neck or throat for long periods of time. A witness also told The Dallas Morning News that a deputy pressed his knee into Hutcheson's throat.
A key difference is that with Floyd the knee WASN'T pressed into his throat.
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Old 26-06-2020, 22:36   #827
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You can keep on trying to, weakly, mitigate the police’s actions. The man died in their care, they are responsible and that’s the end of it. An unarmed man, 4 professional, well trained, police Officers, they failed no matter how you try to spin it.
I cannot see how anyone could put it better than this. To defend this action is just, well disturbing, to say the least.
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Old 28-06-2020, 18:10   #828
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I cannot see how anyone could put it better than this. To defend this action is just, well disturbing, to say the least.
Agreed.
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Old 29-06-2020, 00:07   #829
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Useful information about Black Lives Matter UK
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Mutaz Ahmed Worth reiterating that this group is not the official BLM. It’s a small band of British hard-left activists raising money off the name of the movement, without the explicit permission of the BLM Foundation. Not clear who’s responsible for £1m it’s fundraised or how it’ll be spent
https://twitter.com/mutazamd/status/1277231136729640960
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Old 29-06-2020, 08:17   #830
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Strangely enough, the BLM Foundation mentioned above isn’t associated with the actual Black Lives Matter Global Network...

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The 'Black Lives Matter Foundation' isn't the real BLM, but it's raised millions in donations

The Black Lives Matter Foundation raised millions of dollars in donations. But it is not associated with the Black Lives Matter movement that sparked worldwide protests against police brutality.

BuzzFeed reports the "charitable organization" raised at least $4.35 million in early June, according to estimates. The Black Lives Matter Foundation is based in Santa Clarita, California and has one paid employee: its founder Robert Ray Barnes.

In a statement to BuzzFeed, Barnes said the foundation is not associated with the one behind the global movement.

"I don't have anything to do with the Black Lives Matter Global Network. I never met them, never spoke to them," Barnes said. "Our whole thing is having unity with the police department."
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The Black Lives Matter Global Network began when the phrase "Black Lives Matter" started trending after neighborhood watch member George Zimmerman shot and killed a Black teenage boy. At first, the movement didn't have centralized leadership. Since then, the movement has grown to a network of local Black Lives Matter chapters.
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Strangely enough, the BLM Foundation mentioned above isn’t associated with the actual Black Lives Matter Global Network...

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"Global Network" eh? Africa - now liberated from the white man's yoke?
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Old 29-06-2020, 08:25   #832
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"Global Network" eh? Africa - now liberated from the white man's yoke?
That’s whole different discussion about the pillaging of resources and setting up artificial borders that didn’t recognise the reality of politics in Africa...

(And it started, and is based, in the USA)
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Is there an 'official' BLM movement?
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Old 29-06-2020, 10:09   #834
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Re: Black Lives Matter

At least I'm the one not simply BLINDLY accepting the garbage coming out, and I'm looking at the actual FACTS and EVIDENCE.

Has ANYBODY SHOWN that the claimed issue ISN'T about the neck?

If it was about the neck, exactly what mechanism was meant to be the actual problem? The Knee WASN'T on the windpipe, as demonstrated by the FACT that he could claim not to be able to breathe a total of SIXTEEN TIMES. Medical FACT. There are TWO Carotid arteries. Even if one of them was blocked off, the other would still be able to supply blood to the brain.
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In most instances when a carotid artery is completely blocked, the risk of a revascularization procedure usually outweighs the benefit. Fortunately, the brain has great capacity to use alternative routes to provide blood to the area of the brain supplied by the blocked artery. A network of blood vessels at the base of the brain, called the circle of Willis, can often supply the necessary blood flow.
Many people function normally with one completely blocked carotid artery, provided they haven't had a disabling stroke.
The pressure applied to his neck can't have been that great, as he could still move his head, jaw, and shoulder area. He even lifted his neck up slightly.

It is STANDARD PROCEDURE to remove someone from a vehicle, if they are "kicking off". It is ALSO STANDARD PROCEDURE to restrain them. It was ALSO STANDARD PROCEDURE in those circumstances to apply pressure to the neck. The reason for those procedures is PROTECTING the prisoner under a "duty of care". If he'd died as a result of NOT restraining him, they they would've been prosecuted and persecuted for that.

The videos show that he WAS still resisting and moving around. He at NO POINT indicated that if they let him up, that he wouldn't "kick off" AGAIN.

It what way were they meant to prevent him from "kicking off"? No other way of doing it, which is why in ALL countries of the World, the same thing would've been done, and has been done. Handcuffing somebody ONLY restricts movement of the arms and hands. That still leaves a lot more that can be moved around.

Nobody is even trying to answer these questions, other than with "it's not true", or "there must've been another way". You are ALL not bothering to come up with valid, theoretical, and PRACTICAL(IE ones that would work in the REAL WORLD) solutions. people are just BLINDLY following the agenda. Try looking at things in a critical manner as to whether they are true or not. It's called INDEPENDENT THOUGHT.


REMEMBER THEY DIDN'T RESTRAIN HIM, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF IT.

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Old 29-06-2020, 10:16   #835
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Re: Black Lives Matter

Chauvin is currently charged with:

Second-degree manslaughter
second-degree murder
third-degree murder

if these are the charges put to the jury they may only accept the manslaughter.
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Old 29-06-2020, 10:20   #836
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Chauvin is currently charged with:

Second-degree manslaughter
second-degree murder
third-degree murder

if these are the charges put to the jury they may only accept the manslaughter.
Why? The neck WASN'T the problem, the chest WAS. Kueng was responsible for that. That is assuming it was wasn't something totally unrelated, eg the two drugs in his system.
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Why? The neck WASN'T the problem, the chest WAS. Kueng was responsible for that. That is assuming it was wasn't something totally unrelated, eg the two drugs in his system.
Well they could also find him completely innocent, my point is there is a lot of flexibility in the current institutional narrative.
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Well they could also find him completely innocent, my point is there is a lot of flexibility in the current institutional narrative.
The FACT that he's been charged with murder in the first place demonstrates that there's NO flexibility. There is NO BASIS for the charge, other than he's the White guy. He followed the procedures. Remove suspect from vehicle if "kicking off", restrain (including the neck), ignore false claims of "I can't breathe".



Nobody is giving valid, practical answers to what should've been done instead. The nearest thing to be suggested is that somehow, their guns, batons, and pepper spray(if they had it) were to be of some use. How? Shoot him? Beat him unconscious? Make him more agitated and disorientated?Eg Post# 797 by Pierre.
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They’ve got guns, they’ve got batons and they’ve got pepper spray and there’s 4 of them, In short they were well enough equipped to deal with one man - without killing him.
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The FACT that he's been charged with murder in the first place demonstrates that there's NO flexibility. There is NO BASIS for the charge, other than he's the White guy. He followed the procedures. Remove suspect from vehicle if "kicking off", restrain (including the neck), ignore false claims of "I can't breathe".



Nobody is giving valid, practical answers to what should've been done instead. The nearest thing to be suggested is that somehow, their guns, batons, and pepper spray(if they had it) were to be of some use. How? Shoot him? Beat him unconscious? Make him more agitated and disorientated?Eg Post# 797 by Pierre.
There is absolutely a basis for at least a manslaughter charge. What you have made is a highly technical medical argument, something that the prosecutors may not be aware of. Maybe there will be medical experts presented in the trial and maybe they will change the charges further to the other involved.

A charge is not a declaration of absolute truth.
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The FACT that he's been charged with murder in the first place demonstrates that there's NO flexibility. There is NO BASIS for the charge, other than he's the White guy. He followed the procedures. Remove suspect from vehicle if "kicking off", restrain (including the neck), ignore false claims of "I can't breathe".



Nobody is giving valid, practical answers to what should've been done instead. The nearest thing to be suggested is that somehow, their guns, batons, and pepper spray(if they had it) were to be of some use. How? Shoot him? Beat him unconscious? Make him more agitated and disorientated?Eg Post# 797 by Pierre.
Four men v one unarmed and handcuffed man. Not rocket science on how he could be restrained without killing him!

Let's not forget that the manner in which he was restrained was very dangerous "Someone in that position can draw enough breath to gasp or speak in spurts, but they can't breathe fully, so they gradually lose oxygen and fall unconscious." https://www.actionnewsnow.com/conten...570850012.html

Like Pierre, I'm at a loss to understand why you choose to defend the indefensible.
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