Britain outside the EU

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Aww, that's just not fair...

Exactly!

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Originally Posted by Mick

And it is a choice I’m totally okay with. Pretty standard having to have passport checked and stamped. It does not remove France obligations to adequately staff their border checks. After all, these could be French nationals re-entering their country, and as already mentioned, tourists paying in to French coffers, they need to step up their game, regardless of Brexit.

Finally some sanity around here. Brexit means 3rd country checks which means delays in peak periods. End of.

The delays could be mitigated to an extent if additional resources were added (booths, etc.) with the ability to convince the French to staff them.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

By my definition, the last sentence makes you a Brexiter. Mick may choose to disagree of course. And it's not a term of criticism, it's a term of classification.

Why the need to neatly label someone and put them in a box?

I am not a “Brexiter” (which is a term I despise) and on the only chance we had to vote on it, I voted Remain….( I’m also not a Remainer, I voted Remain that’s all)

As a Democrat, I believe we should all move forward and not whinge about getting your own way like a child.

Unfortunately for you Pierre, the gravity of trade will always tie us into the EU. Leaving the EU won't stop the debate on our optimum relationship with the bloc. As we've seen this weekend, few would agree we have the optimum relationship right now.

It depends on what you consider “optimum”. Anyone with half a brain would know the journey from leaving the EU to establishing a new equilibrium with the globe would be difficult, painful and lengthy. The very reasons I voted Remain, but the decision went against me, and I can live with that.

What I can’t live with is people throwing unnecessary obstacles in our way, and others taking pleasure as we find our way through these very early stages of the journey.

Again, only an idiot (and there seems to be millions) would have thought that Brexit Day+1 would instantly see us reap any benefits and sunny uplands free of the EU. To complain and constantly moan that it hasn’t happened just cements the stupidity.

Brexit is a generational journey, and once the bitterness and aftershocks have subsided, we may begin to forge a new relationship with the EU, but there’s too much hate on both sides at the moment to do anything meaningful.

For real Brexiters, the fact we are no longer in the EU is reward enough.

The rest of us need to look reality in the face and do what’s best for the country.

[Julian]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Like the next PM Liz Truss, I believe he's changed his mind since the Referendum.

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Not a good look for these countries. Something we need to tidy up now through negotiation.

And yet French disabled badges can be used here.

They should just reciprocate.

tbf, the online articles state "may not" or "might not" be valid/accepted in some countries…

20 Countries/Territories accept them, 10 are "Undecided".

It’s wrong that the Blue Badge holders don’t know what’s happening, but the individual countries are making, or are in the process of making, Sovereign decisions…

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...european-union

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Julian

And yet French disabled badges can be used here.

They should just reciprocate.

.... and so it must remain. We're not them.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Julian

And yet French disabled badges can be used here.

They should just reciprocate.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

.... and so it must remain. We're not them.

Agreed.

From today’s FT



So glad we are cutting unnecessary red tape…

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by Hugh

So glad we are cutting unnecessary red tape…

I wonder how much they spent thinking up the new name

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

From today’s FT



So glad we are cutting unnecessary red tape…

Sad to read that.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Hugh

From today’s FT



So glad we are cutting unnecessary red tape…

This was always going to happen with highly regulated industries and highlights the issue with re-regulation vs. deregulation. If the UK diverges from EU regulations, then the regulatory burden for a company can effectively double. For the chemical industry, REACH is a massive pain until you get in to the rhythm of applications but it' s hurdle that needs to be got over if you want to sell to the EU. The smart move would be to allow the UK regulators to accept EU REACH applications for UK REACH but I suspect the political position of 'EU bad, UK good' wouldn't allow this.

In the absence of local regulations, companies will lean towards the most stringent regulations in any of their markets which is why you see cookie acceptance buttons on websites based anywhere

[1andrew1]

For some reason, this article has escaped our usual Daily Express re-posters.

Brexit farce as empty security post to taxpayers a 'ludicrous' £2million a year

TAXPAYERS are facing a bill of almost £2million a year to cover the costs of a mothballed border crossing building - with one elected official branding it a "useless white elephant".

The security checkpoint - built at Portsmouth International Port following Brexit - was supposed to open last month, with a workforce of 67 employees, and built at an estimated cost of £30million. However, the Government put the plans on ice, opting to delay the introduction of physical checks on animal, plant and forest imports until the end of next year.

Port director Mike Sellers has written to Stephen Webb, Britain’s director of border readiness Stephen Webb, warning him the cost to the city would be £1,845,108 - including £500,000 between now and October.

A Border Trade and Brexit Opportunities Team delegation visited the port last month but have yet to offer any "support", Mr Sellers explained in his letter.

With Portsmouth City Council now threatening legal action in an attempt to force the Government to offer compensation, Mr Sellers added: “You kindly offered to help the port mitigate the significant costs to the border control post (BCP) due to the government’s decision to stop the import controls on EU freight and move towards a new target operating model from the end of 2023, but there has been no support nor clarity.

Portsmouth South MP Stephen Morgan said: “This Conservative government’s incompetence has left our city facing an eye-watering bill for post-Brexit infrastructure that now won't be needed.

“At a time when families in Portsmouth and across the country are struggling with the cost-of-living crisis, this government wasting almost £30m of taxpayers’ money is unforgivable.”

The facility is just one of several throughout the UK which cost a combined £500 million-plus in public and private sector cash, but which are now standing empty after the Government opted to delay the planned checks.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ny-mordaunt-eu

[OLD BOY]

It’s a delay, not a cancellation.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It’s a delay, not a cancellation.

I doubt it will ever get implemented as it just adds cost to imports and who's going to want to do that in the middle of Truss's recession? There are even rumours that she will bring back some freedom of movement from the EU for to try and tackle wage inflation.

It's a £2m pa bill that the council is being saddled with for following government instructions. The least they can do is to cover it.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I doubt it will ever get implemented as it just adds cost to imports and who's going to want to do that in the middle of Truss's recession? There are even rumours that she will bring back some freedom of movement from the EU for to try and tackle wage inflation.

It's a £2m pa bill that the council is being saddled with for following government instructions. The least they can do is to cover it.

I've said a few times on this forum, I never had anything against freedom of movement - just the poor way it was implemented allowing beggars to remain. So, some sort of free movement wouldn't hurt on the right terms. I'd want it to address skills shortage, though. Wages will need to be attractive and that means taxes should not be prohibitively high.

Btw, I'm firmly in the "none of the above" camp.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I've said a few times on this forum, I never had anything against freedom of movement - just the poor way it was implemented allowing beggars to remain. So, some sort of free movement wouldn't hurt on the right terms. I'd want it to address skills shortage, though. Wages will need to be attractive and that means taxes should not be prohibitively high.

Btw, I'm firmly in the "none of the above" camp.

You're joking, we haven't gone through all this to just simply reintroduce stuff we voted to leave behind