Brexit (Old)

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

However it didn’t say

a) when or

It didn’t have to, the process was already known, two years after invoking A50.

b) what the future relationship should look like

What do you want a ballot paper or 300 page study?

As I said, the outcome was clear, a hard Brexit is what was on offer.

After that the future relationship was to be negotiated, but from outside the EU.

If the leave vote is one single monolithic entity with a homogeneous view of what leave means you should have nothing to worry about putting it to the electorate for a rubber stamp.

That is exactly what they should do. If there is to be a “people’s vote” is should be clear.

- Remain
- Hard Brexit ( now that there is no denying everybody is in full possession of the facts)

[Hom3r]

I blame remainers for Brexit stalling 1,000%

They cannot take the democratic result

Originally Posted by Mick

You keep repeating the same rubbish about a cliff edge - it's utter project fear fiction!!!

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It's already been to the electorate - Jeez - why do you have to be so obtuse ?

It should not have to bloody say, it's not hard.

Leave means leave - when you opt to leave your house, you don't keep one foot in there or, one arm or any part of you.

Leaving a group means leaving it completely - it really is not hard !!!

Usually, when you leave your house, you know where you’re going and how to get there - that doesn’t seem to be the case for Brexit.

Brexit means Brexit is as meaningless a statement as Breakfast means Breakfast - if you asked 17 million people who said “Yes” when they were asked if they wanted breakfast, there would be no unanimity about what and when they wanted it. Some would want it at 6am, others 10am, and the rest some time in between; as for what they wanted for breakfast, the food requirements would range from toast, full English, granola, scrambled eggs, and multiple other options - to assert that all 17 million “Yes” voters wanted a Hard Brexit with "No Deal" is an assertion that cannot be backed up with factual evidence.

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

I blame remainers for Brexit stalling 1,000%

They cannot take the democratic result

I blame Leavers for Brexit stalling 1,000% - they didn’t have a plan to get what they wanted and just blame everyone else.

See - two can play that game...

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It didn’t have to, the process was already known, two years after invoking A50.

Nobody said when A50 would be invoked. Two years beyond an undetermined date.

What do you want a ballot paper or 300 page study?

As I said, the outcome was clear, a hard Brexit is what was on offer.

After that the future relationship was to be negotiated, but from outside the EU.

An informed electorate would be nice.

That is exactly what they should do. If there is to be a “people’s vote” is should be clear.

- Remain
- Hard Brexit ( now that there is no denying everybody is in full possession of the facts)

Seems reasonable.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

My memory is hazy but I’m quite sure it didn’t say that on my ballot paper.

Well obviously you’re one of those thicko’s that had no idea what you were voting for. It was blindingly obvious to me given the information and debate before the vote.

You’ve just gone down a rung in my estimation, you’ Now on rung 0.

They are there to make the tough choices the people can’t be trusted with on a day to day basis.

Oh I see now.......they ceded their power to the electorate in 2016. But the electorate got it wrong, in their opinion, so now the all wise parliament will reverse the will of the people.

That’s as Orwellian as it gets. Certainly not the country I thought I was living in.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well obviously you’re one of those thicko’s that had no idea what you were voting for. It was blindingly obvious to me given the information and debate before the vote.

You’ve just gone down a rung in my estimation, you’ Now on rung 0.

I’m utterly devastated to now find myself in agreement with a plethora of Leave backing politicians that Brexit could mean Norway, Canada, a different deal altogether, or WTO terms (and possibly others).

Oh I see now.......they ceded their power to the electorate in 2016. But the electorate got it wrong, in their opinion, so now the all wise parliament will reverse the will of the people.

That’s as Orwellian as it gets. Certainly not the country I thought I was living in.

Welcome to the United Kingdom.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Usually, when you leave your house, you know where you’re going and how to get there - that doesn’t seem to be the case for Brexit.

Brexit means Brexit is as meaningless a statement as Breakfast means Breakfast - if you asked 17 million people who said “Yes” when they were asked if they wanted breakfast, there would be no unanimity about what and when they wanted it. Some would want it at 6am, others 10am, and the rest some time in between; as for what they wanted for breakfast, the food requirements would range from toast, full English, granola, scrambled eggs, and multiple other options - to assert that all 17 million “Yes” voters wanted a Hard Brexit with "No Deal" is an assertion that cannot be backed up with factual evidence.

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I blame Leavers for Brexit stalling 1,000% - they didn’t have a plan to get what they wanted and just blame everyone else.

See - two can play that game...

Only thing is, you lost your bloody game !

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Usually, when you leave your house, you know where you’re going and how to get there - that doesn’t seem to be the case for Brexit.

Brexit means Brexit is as meaningless a statement as Breakfast means Breakfast - if you asked 17 million people who said “Yes” when they were asked if they wanted breakfast, there would be no unanimity about what and when they wanted it. Some would want it at 6am, others 10am, and the rest some time in between; as for what they wanted for breakfast, the food requirements would range from toast, full English, granola, scrambled eggs, and multiple other options - to assert that all 17 million “Yes” voters wanted a Hard Brexit with "No Deal" is an assertion that cannot be backed up with factual evidence

More rubbish - How many more piss poor analogies are you going to come up with to try justify your baseless points ?

This topic is far angrier than it needs to be

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Damien

This topic is far angrier than it needs to be

The trouble is if one has a different view Damien to somebody else’s view then the usual reply of one is talking gibberish is the default response to it.

[Gavin78]

Originally Posted by jfman

They are there to make the tough choices the people can’t be trusted with on a day to day basis.

Oh you mean a PM that was for voting remain who overruled her own cheif brexit negotiator far too many times to try and keep us as much in the EU as she could

[Hom3r]

I see Channel 4 Brexit debate is pro remain, and the green party bint will wants 3rd vote 4th vote etc until they get a remain vote.

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Changing your mind is no reason to have a 2nd referendum.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Damien

This topic is far angrier than it needs to be

If you think it’s bad now we still have another few weeks before a second referendum can realistically be presented as “the only choice”. Then we will have this throughout the campaign.

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Originally Posted by Gavin78

Oh you mean a PM that was for voting remain who overruled her own cheif brexit negotiator far too many times to try and keep us as much in the EU as she could

Doing her duty for the country.

[Matth]

The letters need to go in to get rid of May. Cannot think of a more bumbling incompetent PM that has ever been, what with throwing away a majority on an ill judged election, and then flogging a dead horse "deal" that leaves us in thrall to the whims of the EU for ever more...

The PM to implement Brexit should never have come from the remainer camp

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Matth

The letters need to go in to get rid of May. Cannot think of a more bumbling incompetent PM that has ever been, what with throwing away a majority on an ill judged election, and then flogging a dead horse "deal" that leaves us in thrall to the whims of the EU for ever more...

The PM to implement Brexit should never have come from the remainer camp

However the letters won’t go, because even all but the most extreme in the leave camp know that Brexit is hugely damaging to this country.

It can’t be that hard to get 48 Conservative MPs, can it?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Matth

The letters need to go in to get rid of May. Cannot think of a more bumbling incompetent PM that has ever been, what with throwing away a majority on an ill judged election, and then flogging a dead horse "deal" that leaves us in thrall to the whims of the EU for ever more...

The PM to implement Brexit should never have come from the remainer camp

She was elected unopposed. So end of story, the Tories made their own choice, unanimously, which is a change for them !

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

I see Channel 4 Brexit debate is pro remain, and the green party bint will wants 3rd vote 4th vote etc until they get a remain vote.

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Changing your mind is no reason to have a 2nd referendum.

Just reflecting the country atm, the wheel has turned...... (p.s i think you'll find 'bint' isn't politically correct !)