Climate Change

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Chris

Mine’s boiled by people who think internet memes and cobbled-together Tw*tter graphics are a decent argument for (or rebuttal of) anything at all, ever.

There has been a trend in TV weather towards using graded colour to indicate temperature, rainfall, rain accumulation, variance from average and all sorts of things. This has become possible because weather models and observations are a lot more granular than they used to be.

‘To scare you’ is an assertion that simply isn’t supported by the evidence available in the photo. We don’t know whether the two pictures are even from the same forecaster, so we can’t see how else their graphical presentation of the weather may have changed in the *six years* between the two images.

That’s just one common image, but it does highlight a point.

I even tested it myself two days ago. BBC had the temperature in Sicily at 45deg, but when you went on the local weather website it was 33deg.

There is no denying that the MSM are whipping up hysteria around temperatures in Southern Europe and I’d go so far as misleading.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

That’s just one common image, but it does highlight a point.

I even tested it myself two days ago. BBC had the temperature in Sicily at 45deg, but when you went on the local weather website it was 33deg.

There is no denying that the MSM are whipping up hysteria around temperatures in Southern Europe and I’d go so far as misleading.

A number of weather outlets are reporting temperatures at 40+ for Monday and Tuesday of this week, with it dropping today.

I find it hard to believe they are all wilfully recording inaccurate data.

There was something last week which was misleading where they were reporting ground temperatures. Which unless you’re running a Formula 1 race isn’t meaningful without a reference point, and clearly indicating the air temperature and how they differ.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

A number of weather outlets are reporting temperatures at 40+ for Monday and Tuesday of this week, with it dropping today.

I find it hard to believe they are all wilfully recording inaccurate data.

There was something last week which was misleading where they were reporting ground temperatures. Which unless you’re running a Formula 1 race isn’t meaningful without a reference point, and clearly indicating the air temperature and how they differ.

Nudge tactics JF. Scare the populace. Frightened people are easy to manipulate. Authoritarian actions can be taken for your “safety”. Did COVID teach you nothing?

https://www.skygroup.sky/article/beh...by-tv-says-sky

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Nudge tactics JF. Scare the populace. Frightened people are easy to manipulate. Authoritarian actions can be taken for your “safety”. Did COVID teach you nothing?

https://www.skygroup.sky/article/beh...by-tv-says-sky

Frightened people don’t spend money though, and that’s the only thing keeping the capitalist Ponzi scheme from collapsing.

You could, theoretically, use the same nudge tactics in a well funded conspiracy theory to deny climate change at all. Make people afraid of the creeping authoritarianism of the state. The state is coming for you, your money, your lifestyle etc.

If covid taught us anything it’s that meaningful uniform compliance is difficult to maintain for a prolonged period (more than a year). That was against a backdrop of what was perceived (in March 2020) as a significant, local threat at an individual level. Extreme weather events in other parts of the world are unlikely to make people make substantive lifestyle changes on any meaningful level.

Originally Posted by Pierre

That’s just one common image, but it does highlight a point.

I even tested it myself two days ago. BBC had the temperature in Sicily at 45deg, but when you went on the local weather website it was 33deg.

Decades of getting the forecast spectacularly wrong, and it’s suddenly evidence of a grand conspiracy?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Chris

Decades of getting the forecast spectacularly wrong, and it’s suddenly evidence of a grand conspiracy?

It’s not the forecast though is it. It’s knowingly mis-reporting actual temperatures.

It’s linking unrelated items to climate. The current fires in Greece are due to arson or carelessness. The vegetation is dry at this time of year regardless of it being 34 or 44 degrees, it needs a spark.

Sky surreptitiously linking a car fire to a heat wave, with no evidence, as there wasn’t any.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-07-...-car-fire.html

You can shout “conspiracy knob”, no problem. But “nudge” tactics are not a conspiracy. COVID proved that they exist, they are used, and MSM are happy to work with government.

So, if you’re a government(s) that wants to change the habits of your populace to achieve your political aims in regards to climate change, and it worked on COVID, why wouldn’t you employ the same tactics for climate change?

https://newsroom.heart.org/news/risk...unger%20adults.

Great headline, read the study and avg age was 78, 52% of the study were 80+ and male…..and all Chinese, as it was a Chinese study. I would suspect “Heat” not being the main issue here.

Have I got a tin foil hat? No, but it’s bloody well on order.

[jfman]

So what’s the political aims?

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I even tested it myself two days ago. BBC had the temperature in Sicily at 45deg, but when you went on the local weather website it was 33deg

So who to believe? I know, let's ask something accurate, that lives depend on...

Here are the weather records for Catania Airport for the past 5 days:
https://www.aviationweather.gov/meta...ate=&hours=120

Today: 34'C
Yesterday: 45'C
Monday: 44'C
Sunday: 42'C
Saturday: 45'C

[Pierre]

Airport. Have you got Anything not near jet engines?

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Originally Posted by jfman

So what’s the political aims?

Control. Isn’t that always the aim?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Control. Isn’t that always the aim?

Safeguarding the planet's future seems a fair enough aim to me.

It'll fail as this generation is stupid, short sighted and selfish. Always tomorrow's problem, but tomorrow is coming sooner than predicted.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Airport. Have you got Anything not near jet engines?

Come on now Pierre. I’ve never walked past the wing of a plane and felt heat coming off it as it’s already dissipated into the atmosphere. Are you suggesting they sit the meter so close to a plane they then run for 24 hours a day?

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Airport. Have you got Anything not near jet engines?

The weather station is south of the runway and a strong southerly wind was blowing
https://www.google.com/maps/search/s...!1e3?entry=ttu

I expect you'll be blaming the wildfires for the high temperatures next

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

I expect you'll be blaming the wildfires for the high temperatures next

there's a thought

[ianch99]

Alarming:

A heat index* of 158°F (70°C) was recorded in southern Iran today.

Even the healthiest and youngest individuals could not survive this heat for more than 6 hours.

* The heat index (HI) is an index that combines air temperature and relative humidity, in shaded areas, to posit a human-perceived equivalent temperature, as how hot it would feel if the humidity were some other value in the shade. The result is also known as the "felt air temperature," "apparent temperature," "real feel" or "feels like." For example, when the temperature is 32 °C (90 °F) with 70% relative humidity, the heat index is 41 °C (106 °F)

Originally Posted by ianch99

Alarming:



* The heat index (HI) is an index that combines air temperature and relative humidity, in shaded areas, to posit a human-perceived equivalent temperature, as how hot it would feel if the humidity were some other value in the shade. The result is also known as the "felt air temperature," "apparent temperature," "real feel" or "feels like." For example, when the temperature is 32 °C (90 °F) with 70% relative humidity, the heat index is 41 °C (106 °F)

I’m by no means a climate sceptic but as a bald statistic this doesn’t mean anything. Neither does the observation that a human couldn’t survive in it for any length of time.

There are plenty of places on earth a human can’t survive without serious technical assistance, either because of extreme heat, cold, altitude or whatever. While I’m content to accept we have a problem, gaining widespread acceptance of that fact requires careful, patient and well-explained and properly contextualised statistics. Sharing headline figures in isolation makes the error of confusing weather with climate; this in turn gives sceptics an ‘out’ (because it’s easy to select some other weather and use it to make a counterfactual argument).