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Old 31-10-2018, 07:40   #1606
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It is necessary to remind people of what Corbyn would do as many of May's detractors are left wing and would vote for Corbyn in a heartbeat. When they criticise the actions of the Conservatives, it is a sobering thought to take a look at Corbyn's alternative aspirations.

Any idiot can criticise. But if you criticise, you should have a viable alternative.

I know that not all those on the left of politics support Corbyn, but that's who you'd get if you voted Labour.

Regarding the issue of raising spending, paying down borrowing and maintaining or cutting taxes, yes you can, but it's a matter of degree. The intention is still to reduce the deficit and our debts, but not so quickly now so we can ease off the austerity.

Even Corbyn wouldn't have put £12bn extra into the NHS! But that move will gain a lot of public support, and the Chancellor and PM have certainly caught the public mood with that one.

Of course, if you are now indicating your disapproval of such a sum of money being allocated to our health service, that would be a bit of a U-turn for you, I would suggest!
This perfectly highlights the problems with our electoral system. No party has to listen to anyone but their membership and backers. The ordinary voters are left with somewhat of Hobsons choice.
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Old 31-10-2018, 08:47   #1607
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This perfectly highlights the problems with our electoral system. No party has to listen to anyone but their membership and backers. The ordinary voters are left with somewhat of Hobsons choice.
Well, that's the way it works. Other countries do it differently. I don't think it produces better government that we should aspire to. I believe that our democracy is the best in the world and we should not be tampering with it except after very careful selection. Elections to the House of Lords could be done with some form of PR because that is a revising chamber and you could say that the views expressed better reflect the views of the public. However, it is important to have strong Government because that way legislative change can be robust and election promises kept more easily, with changes quickly introduced.

The current state of affairs in which the government is in a minority is not what we want on a permanent basis, but that is exactly what PR would produce - permanent coalitions with minority parties who often have very little electoral support proportionately.
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This perfectly highlights the problems with our electoral system. No party has to listen to anyone but their membership and backers. The ordinary voters are left with somewhat of Hobsons choice.
Best way is to look at the incumbent party and see how terrific or useless they have been. Perhaps to ignore party politics altogether and to look at and research about the person you will be voting for as an MP.
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Best way is to look at the incumbent party and see how terrific or useless they have been. Perhaps to ignore party politics altogether and to look at and research about the person you will be voting for as an MP.
However if you live in a 'non swing seat', which most are, your vote is virtually pointless. Every vote should count for something, but it depends which constituency you're in under our system.
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However if you live in a 'non swing seat', which most are, your vote is virtually pointless. Every vote should count for something, but it depends which constituency you're in under our system.
We live in a swing seat and given what has transpired in the last few years we shall certainly be voting on a good many issues affecting our constituency.
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We live in a swing seat and given what has transpired in the last few years we shall certainly be voting on a good many issues affecting our constituency.
So its you they all need to convince Den !
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Re: Government & Post Election Discussion

If you live in a "strong" seat area that's likely because the majority in that area are best represented by that party. In theory that could be a minority issue party that wouldn't stand a chance in a national PR type system.

I like the idea that anyone can stand in an area and could get elected.

As I've said before an unelected (unpaid) second house is also a good thing as a reforming chamber that doesn't have to worry about elections or even parties.
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Old 31-10-2018, 17:42   #1613
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Best way is to look at the incumbent party and see how terrific or useless they have been. Perhaps to ignore party politics altogether and to look at and research about the person you will be voting for as an MP.
In too many seats it really does not seem to matter what the MP is like, they will be elected to parliament because they are wearing the right colour rosette.
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In too many seats it really does not seem to matter what the MP is like, they will be elected to parliament because they are wearing the right colour rosette.
Where my parents live its basically a shoo in for one party ever since the seat was created.
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So much for clear , clean and transparent government.

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Experts hired by the government to test cladding 12 days after the Grenfell Tower fire were banned from criticising Theresa May or doing anything to embarrass her, The Times can reveal.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/g...deal-7mbdll6cj

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...pHmIetzIF2PjEc
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Jo Johnson has resigned.https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/770362...nd-referendum/
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So much for strong and stable government...
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So much for strong and stable government...
It depends on what you are comparing it with, Den.

When you look at Corbyn's lot, Theresa appears to be in firm control!
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It depends on what you are comparing it with, Den.

When you look at Corbyn's lot, Theresa appears to be in firm control! ;)
We are not talking about Corbyn and his calamities as there is a separate thread for that if you noticed.

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It depends on what you are comparing it with, Den.

When you look at Corbyn's lot, Theresa appears to be in firm control!
Well there is nothing like the blind leading the blind as you keep deluding yourself that everything is nice and rosy in HMG and you won't go far wrong.
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We are not talking about Corbyn and his calamities as there is a separate thread for that if you noticed.

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Well there is nothing like the blind leading the blind as you keep deluding yourself that everything is nice and rosy in HMG and you won't go far wrong.
It does seem hard for people to concentrate on this governments lurching from one resignation to another.
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