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Old 05-12-2018, 15:00   #4411
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Re: Brexit

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here's a thought:

if we remain in the EU can we then stop sending £billions in foreign aid to countries that just pi$$ it up the wall?

after all, we will remain trading partners with the largest trading block in the world right on our doorstep
As we spend more on foreign aid, than the EU (£7.7bn/1.1% of GDP vs. £4.7bn/0.7% of GDP) we'll be quids in! Seriously though, only 15% of the foreign aid budget on humanitarian aid. The rest goes on international organisations or bilateral aid to aid the UKs interests abroad - see aid to Pakistan to prevent the rise of anti-UK sentiment as an example. Bribes basically.

Spending source - https://www.statista.com/chart/4520/...o-uk-taxes-go/
Aid recipients - https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-spending-foreign-aid/
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Old 05-12-2018, 15:09   #4412
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Not sure many of the public want a election though as they are very much fed up with elections and given what happened in 2017 its highly likely that we will have a minority government again at the end of it all.
The need for a general election to allow effective Government will override public opinion on the matter.

I don’t know how you can come to the conclusion a minority government is more likely than not - whatever polling suggests today it can radically change during a campaign like in 2017.
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Old 05-12-2018, 15:29   #4413
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The need for a general election to allow effective Government will override public opinion on the matter.

I don’t know how you can come to the conclusion a minority government is more likely than not - whatever polling suggests today it can radically change during a campaign like in 2017.
But was the opinion polling before the 2017 election right in the first place with the Conservatives supposedly leading by 20 plus percentage points as l somehow doubt that it was.

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The need for a general election to allow effective Government will override public opinion on the matter.

I don’t know how you can come to the conclusion a minority government is more likely than not - whatever polling suggests today it can radically change during a campaign like in 2017.
Apart from the Blair years parties since 1992 have struggled to get a very comfortable majority on their own unless they were in a coalition.
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Old 05-12-2018, 15:33   #4414
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Re: Brexit

A coalition would at least be placed to govern. Right now nobody can effectively.

On top of that it May got chucked for anyone half decent at campaigning the Tories would win at a canter over communist Corbyn.
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Re: Brexit

Some thoughts about why she lost her majority at the 2017 general election not from me but from the BBC as perhaps you have your own thoughts on the 2017 general election as to why it went so wrong for her..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40237833

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A coalition would at least be placed to govern. Right now nobody can effectively.

On top of that it May got chucked for anyone half decent at campaigning the Tories would win at a canter over communist Corbyn.
Who though? as Boris might be very popular with the membership but he is a polarising figure in the country.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-mogg-icm-poll
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Old 05-12-2018, 16:08   #4416
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Re: Brexit

Doesn’t have to be a Conservative win to give effective Government.

The reality is the current arithmetic will not last until 2022 by any stretch. Could take two general elections in the same year as has happened before for a clear position to arise.
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Old 05-12-2018, 16:17   #4417
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Re: Brexit

l thought this summed up things pretty well currently.

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The Govt is on its knees, Brexit is in crisis, and the Tory party in total disarray. But Jeremy Corbyn ignores all that to ask all 6 Qs about a worthy UN report on poverty. That’s some political judgement
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Re: Brexit

Totally agree Den . The last thing JC wants is an election so he is sticking his head in the preverbal sand as usual ..
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Old 05-12-2018, 16:32   #4419
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Doesn’t have to be a Conservative win to give effective Government.

The reality is the current arithmetic will not last until 2022 by any stretch. Could take two general elections in the same year as has happened before for a clear position to arise.
l cannot remember a time when both parties had such poor leaders of their parties as perhaps the best thing for the parties to do with their next leadership contest is to jump a generation.
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Re: Brexit

I don’t know there’s something quite appealing about the Attorney General as next Conservative leader. Good value at the despatch box.

I’m going to take the opposite view and say Corbyn played a blinder by not falling into the Brexit trap at PMQs. SNP were always going to go all in on it anyway.
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Anyway in other news : 114-Days 19-Hrs 37-Min and 20 Seconds
Thanks for doing a countdown to the People's Vote.
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Re: Brexit

DUP to back the Government in a confidence vote only if the deal gets voted down. Increasingly likely there will be Parliamentary involvement in the situation after next week, with the EU “unwilling” to budge and no deal looming.

I wonder what our remain leaning Parliament will do with the prospect of no deal.

I hope the wheels stay on as long as our Chancellor’s emergency budget. It’s the part I’m most looking forward to. Phil deserves to deliver the headshot too.
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Re: Brexit

Phil deserves a head shot.
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Re: Brexit

even Nigel Farage said at end of his LBC show he feels a second referendum is getting closer

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...diction-wrong/

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Re: Brexit

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even Nigel Farage said at end of his LBC show he feels a second referendum is getting closer

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...diction-wrong/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...beat-the-crash

He has been known to say one thing in public while he knows the evidence suggests another.
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