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Old 05-12-2018, 10:12   #4381
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NEW: Sky sources - Government would not need Act of Parliament to revoke Article 50, law advisers have told ministers is the consequence of ECJ ruling - ďmight be needed politically, but not legally" - Minister.
I pointed this out before. Itís an executive function to trigger/withdraw A50.

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NEW: Sky sources - Government would not need Act of Parliament to revoke Article 50, law advisers have told ministers is the consequence of ECJ ruling - “might be needed politically, but not legally" - Minister.
That's interesting in light of the opinion of Advocate General Campos SŠnchez-Bordona's opinion that the UK can unilaterally withdraw article 50 and in particular this passage;

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If, as is the case in the UK, prior parliamentary authorisation is required for the notification of the intention to withdraw, it is logical that the revocation of that notification also requires parliamentary approval.
Regardless of the opinion, I agree that it would be politically expedient to have an Act of Parliament.

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Old 05-12-2018, 11:03   #4383
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The Gina Miller case doesn’t actually change much in terms of revoking Article 50. A no confidence vote would remove any Government trying to do the opposite of what Parliament intended.

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Old 05-12-2018, 11:25   #4384
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Re: Brexit

I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that the UK doesn't need a Government or a Parliament . . it needs a Dictator


. . . oh darn, forget that. If we remain in the EU we will have one
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Old 05-12-2018, 11:26   #4385
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I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that the UK doesn't need a Government or a Parliament . . it needs a Dictator


. . . oh darn, forget that. If we remain in the EU we will have one
I think thatís somewhat melodramatic. If/when we remain itíll be the choice of our sovereign Parliament.
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Old 05-12-2018, 11:32   #4386
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We arenít trying to delegitimise the result. But by definition to say leave is what the majority of the electorate want, or the population want, itís verifiably untrue. The number fails to meet the definition of majority of both the 46 and 65 million figures.

Itís what the majority of the people who chose to vote on a given day want. By definition thatís how a referendum is won and lost - I wholeheartedly agree with you on that point. That on itís own doesnít delegitimise the result.
No it is not verifiable - Stop trying to attempt to correct me when you are not and yes you are trying to delegitimise the result.

The Majority of the electorate voted for Brexit - nothing YOU say will change this so how about enough of the telling of the lies?

Bringing in the whole population is irrelevant, you cannot include people ineligible to vote, could not be arsed to vote in a total vote tally after the vote because YOU lost. It's pathetic!

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I think thatís somewhat melodramatic. If/when we remain itíll be the choice of our sovereign Parliament.
FFS, more inaccurate nonsense - we gave parliament an instruction when they handed the choice to us to either leave or remain in the EU - the electorate told them we wanted to leave the EU!
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Michael Gove to close debate on Brexit for government to try get some brexiteers to vote for deal
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Old 05-12-2018, 11:47   #4388
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No it is not verifiable - Stop trying to attempt to correct me when you are not and yes you are trying to delegitimise the result.

The Majority of the electorate voted for Brexit - nothing YOU say will change this so how about enough of the telling of the lies?

Bringing in the whole population is irrelevant, you cannot include people ineligible to vote, could not be arsed to vote in a total vote tally after the vote because YOU lost. It's pathetic!

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FFS, more inaccurate nonsense - we gave parliament an instruction when they handed the choice to us to either leave or remain in the EU - the electorate told them we wanted to leave the EU!
I’m sorry, but it’s perfectly verifiable. The words “majority”, “electorate” and “population” all have clear definitions.

The definition of electorate is “all of the people who are entitled to vote in an election”. That includes people who choose to not vote, to get a majority of that figure leave (or indeed remain) would need over 23 million votes.

On the final point, and to complete the circle, Parliament is sovereign. The people are not.

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And there we have the legal advice.

The withdrawal agreement can leave us in a customs union with the EU for as long as they please.
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I’m sorry, but it’s perfectly verifiable. The words “majority”, “electorate” and “population” all have clear definitions.

The definition of electorate is “all of the people who are entitled to vote in an election”. That includes people who choose to not vote, to get a majority of that figure leave (or indeed remain) would need over 23 million votes.

On the final point, and to complete the circle, Parliament is sovereign. The people are not.
You are not a talking dictionary, I am well aware of what things mean, so stop being so patronising - please pack it in with the fiction, YOU are still wrong - nothing you say changes the fact the electorate voted for Brexit.

And your last point which is again wrong!!!

We gave parliament an instruction when they passed the question or "sovereign" back on to us to ask us either to leave or remain in the EU - The electorate told parliament we wanted to leave the EU. Again, nothing you say will change this so again, perhaps you should stop it with the fiction.
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Re: Brexit

here's a thought:

if we remain in the EU can we then stop sending £billions in foreign aid to countries that just pi$$ it up the wall?

after all, we will remain trading partners with the largest trading block in the world right on our doorstep
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here's a thought:

if we remain in the EU can we then stop sending £billions in foreign aid to countries that just pi$$ it up the wall?

after all, we will remain trading partners with the largest trading block in the world right on our doorstep
Seems reasonable. India have a space programme after all.
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here's a thought:

if we remain in the EU can we then stop sending £billions in foreign aid to countries that just pi$$ it up the wall?

after all, we will remain trading partners with the largest trading block in the world right on our doorstep
I think we should stop sending it to countries that clearly don't need it, say China - India, two very wealthy countries...

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A line from the advice from the Attorney General that has just been released, says the UK with some Arbitration can actually leave the EU backstop system but Northern Ireland will be left in, meaning we are outside of a system NI are still in, the DUP reading this, will now see this as a sellout, I think the Confidence and Supply deal is at risk of being ripped up after this advice being released today.
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The Attorney General’s legal advice to Cabinet on the Withdrawal Agreement and the Protocol on Ireland/Northern Ireland.

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I think we should stop sending it to countries that clearly don't need it, say China - India, two very wealthy countries...

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A line from the advice from the Attorney General that has just been released, says the UK with some Arbitration can actually leave the EU backstop system but Northern Ireland will be left in, meaning we are outside of a system NI are still in, the DUP reading this, will now see this as a sellout, I think the Confidence and Supply deal is at risk of being ripped up after this advice being released today.
hasn't it been already Mick as they been hinting lots recently
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hasn't it been already Mick as they been hinting lots recently
Not really, the DUP have still been voting with the government on some the votes. The exception is yesterday’s Contempt votes yesterday.
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