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Old 04-12-2018, 12:04   #2281
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Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Oh when was Trump indicted or found guilty of any crime?

Stop being so bloody ridiculous Hugh. I must have missed the big news announcement of the above bombshell!!!
Hugh didn't say that. He said members of the Administration/Campaign had been indicted or found guilty. Last I checked, Trump wasn't the only member of the administration and his campaign, and people who were members of one or both of those entities had been at least indicted.

If Trump is serious about "draining the swamp" he should be helping the investigation, not rallying against it.
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Old 04-12-2018, 12:20   #2282
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Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

And what about the actual investigators leaking to the press?

It’s a political witch hunt and a hoax!!
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Old 04-12-2018, 13:36   #2283
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Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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And if you are going to be so bleeding petty - take a look at the following list of Federal Politicians (Democrats) under Obama Administration who were indicted!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...(D)_presidency)
  • 2009Ė2017 (Barack Obama (D) presidency)
  • Executive branch
  • General David Petraeus (R)Director of the Central Intelligence Agency. On April 23, 2015, a federal judge sentenced Petraeus to two years' probation plus a fine of $100,000 for providing classified information to Lieutenant Colonel Paula Broadwell. (2015)
  • Legislative branch
  • Anthony Weiner (D-NY)[5] was convicted of sending sexually explicit photos of himself to a 15-year-old girl and was made to sign the sexual offenders register. (2017)
  • Corrine Brown (D-FL) was convicted on 18 felony counts of wire and tax fraud, conspiracy, lying to federal investigators, and other corruption charges. (2017)[7]
  • Chaka Fattah (D-PA) was convicted on 23 counts of racketeering, fraud, and other corruption charges. (2016)
  • Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-IL) pleaded guilty February 20, 2013, to one count of wire and mail fraud in connection with his misuse of $750,000 in campaign funds. Jackson was sentenced to two-and-one-half years' imprisonment. (2013)
  • Laura Richardson (D-CA) was found guilty on seven counts of violating US House rules by improperly using her staff to campaign for her, destroying the evidence and tampering with witness testimony. The House Ethics Committee ordered Richardson to pay a fine of $10,000. (2012)

By the way only one has been indicted so far under Trump - that's Flynn and even that is a dodgy looking indictment.
Erm, only one of those was a member of his Administration - Petraeus.

All the rest were Democratic politicians, not members of his campaign/administration - you seem to be moving the goal posts...

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And what about the actual investigators leaking to the press?

Itís a political witch hunt and a hoax!!
It's more likely that Trump (and other defendants') lawyers and associates that are doing the leaking...
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Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

You could say that any investigation into a person is a 'witch hunt'

They are investigating the claims made and will continue it until they either find enough evidence that proves the claims correct, or if while investigating come across other crimes and illegal activities conducted by others proceed with those or if nothing is proved it will be concluded.

They won't just shut down the investigation because the person at the centre of it claims there is nothing to find and protesting his innocence greatly and at every opportunity. Which in many cases goes some way to indicating they have something to hide.
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Erm, only one of those was a member of his Administration - Petraeus.
Yes I am aware of that - I was hoping for you to point it out.

So as it stands, Trump has one - Obama had one. You've made my point for me - Thanks.
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And what about the actual investigators leaking to the press?

Itís a political witch hunt and a hoax!!
They seem to be finding an awful lot if it's a hoax.
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Old 04-12-2018, 15:39   #2287
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They seem to be finding an awful lot if it's a hoax.
Lot of witches around...

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Yes I am aware of that - I was hoping for you to point it out.

So as it stands, Trump has one - Obama had one. You've made my point for me - Thanks.
Since his election in November 2016, Trump’s campaign chairman, his deputy campaign manager, his national security adviser, his personal lawyer and a foreign policy aide have all admitted crimes or been convicted as a result of special prosecutor Robert Mueller’s investigation - I count that as 5 (4 if you don’t count his long-time personal lawyer).
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Since his election in November 2016, Trumpís campaign chairman, his deputy campaign manager, his national security adviser, his personal lawyer and a foreign policy aide have all admitted crimes or been convicted as a result of special prosecutor Robert Muellerís investigation - I count that as 5 (4 if you donít count his long-time personal lawyer).
Only one was in his Administration, like Obama's.

You are moving the goal posts now, which is ultimately why I have had enough of this bullshit thread and why it will be closing soon.
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Old 04-12-2018, 17:06   #2289
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Only one was in his Administration, like Obama's.

You are moving the goal posts now, which is ultimately why I have had enough of this bullshit thread and why it will be closing soon.
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I donít remember members of the Obama Campaign and/or Administration being indicted/ found guilty of crimes, or Obama taking multiple long weekends at his own golf resorts, or all the US Intelligence Agencies stating that Russia interfered in the 2008/2012 Elections, or that Obama didnít encourage violence against others at his rallies, or that Obama didnít call those who disagreed with him Ďenemies of the Stateí, or Obama continuously telling everyone how he was the best at everything.

Perhaps those are some of the reasons this thread has been so long-running.
Goalposts appear to be in their original position.
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Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

We'll be getting the extent to which Cohen has collaborated with Mueller today.
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Goalposts appear to be in their original position.
Your goalposts are irrelevant - They are still tallied the same. Obama has one - Trump has one-end of discussion.
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We'll be getting the extent to which Cohen has collaborated with Mueller today.
Also today...

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...uments-1041324
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A federal judge on Monday said lawyers for Maryland and Washington, D.C., can begin issuing subpoenas in a lawsuit that accuses President Donald Trump of using his luxury hotel in Washington to unconstitutionally profit from his political office.

The attorneys general in Maryland and Washington say they plan to serve as many as 20 companies and government agencies with subpoenas by midday Tuesday. Itís the first time a lawsuit alleging a president violated the Constitution's emoluments, or anti-corruption, clauses has advanced to the discovery stage.
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Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

Tough luck - I don't care what may or may not be happening in Trump's world, if you want to discuss Trump to your hearts content, start your own forum.
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Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

Looks like Flynn will avoid jail time after his "substantial assistance" to Mueller.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46449950

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The special counsel investigating alleged Russian collusion in the 2016 US election will not be pursuing a jail sentence for former national security adviser Michael Flynn.

Mr Flynn has admitted lying to the FBI.

But in a memo, Robert Mueller said Mr Flynn had provided "first-hand" details about links between the Trump election team and Russian officials.
But there also appears to be something else happening with the investigation:

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And then there is this intriguing element. In one section there is the simple sentence "the defendant has provided substantial assistance in a criminal investigation" but everything below it is blacked out.
What else is being investigated?
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Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

This Mueller memo to recommend no prison time on Flynn suggests Mueller is not going after Trump on collusion with Russia.

Flynn worked with the Obama Administration for years, he worked with Trump for 24 days. A separate criminal investigation is being led by someone else than the special counsel. Before Sessions was fired, he had appointed John Huber, U.S Attorney who has prosecutorial powers and he isn’t tasked for targeting the U.S President.
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