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Old 09-01-2019, 22:59   #6136
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Nothing to stop us doing business with China, India, Vietnam, etc at the moment.
Wrong, we need EU consent and it can take years.
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Old 09-01-2019, 22:59   #6137
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Re: Brexit

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What is really the point of going back to the same arguments as several years ago?
Why don't you ask the person who made this assertion rather than the one who queried how it can be verified.
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Old 09-01-2019, 23:04   #6138
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Wrong, we need EU consent and it can take years.
Wrong I'm afraid Mick. For example, we have a growing trade with Vietnam and are encouraging an EU free trade deal with that country - a key constituent of the 90% you mention.
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Re: Brexit

I literally imported a mobile from China last month all by myself. How does the EU prevent trade with China? Yes I’d to pay import duty - is there any indication the post Brexit eutopia will change that?
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Old 09-01-2019, 23:16   #6140
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Re: Brexit

No I’m not wrong. We cannot set up our own trade deals, unless we leave the EU. This is an old argument done to death.
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Re: Brexit

He said “do business”. The second biggest trade partner of the EU is China.

You interpreted that as “have a separate trade deal from the EU”. Which is a different thing.
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Old 09-01-2019, 23:28   #6142
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Re: Brexit

I stand by what I said. We need to leave the EU to do trade deals.

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Why don't you ask the person who made this assertion rather than the one who queried how it can be verified.
Drop the angry face, no need for it FFS. I am here you know... Why don’t you verify the duff info you keep coming up with first, that we will be worse off, btw negative Remainer forcasts are not evidence.
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We need to leave the EU to do trade deals.
No one's disagreeing with that.
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Old 10-01-2019, 00:00   #6144
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Re: Brexit

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I think there are enough Remainers, or at least people who want a deal before leaving, in Parliament that will prevent her from doing via the Fixed Terms Parliament act, remember she'll need Tories to back her in that case too.

If I've done the maths right they will need 434 votes to call an election. (2/3s of 650, abstentions still count).

All opposition MPs = 333. Leaving 101 Tory MPs needed assuming every single other MP votes for the election and that's a bit unlikely IMO if this the obviously the game that they perceive May to be playing. Liberal Democrats could abstain? More Tories needed. SNP abstain? More still and so on.

Would over 100 Tories MPs be willing to detonate themselves in such a fashion? To facilitate a no deal Brexit and possibly hand it over to Corbyn?

Instead I think they would try a vote of no confidence but that doesn't get the delay you would need since in that circumstance someone else could form a government which I think would happen if only to delay Article 50 before calling the actual General Election again.
The politics of this are toxic in Scotland. Scottish Labour would have an absolute field day with the idea of the SNP keeping the Tories in power when they had the chance to kick them out in an election.
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Re: Brexit

Here's another way proposed of solving the Brexit stalemate: A Citizens' Assembly. Time's not on our side for this solution and the country may be too divided but on paper it looks a better idea than a new election or People's Vote.
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A citizens’ assembly is a group of people brought together to discuss an issue or issues, and reach a conclusion about what they think should happen, according to the definition put forward by the House of Commons library.
Citizens’ assemblies give members of the public the time and opportunity to learn about and discuss a topic, before reaching conclusions, it says. Assembly members are asked to make trade-offs and arrive at workable recommendations.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...exit-explainer
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Re: Brexit

Having read the latest attacks, counter attacks and general childish behaviour in this topic, its really time everyone learned to calm down.

To that effect, today is Cable Forum Brexit Holiday Day.

This topic is closed for one day.

Everyone go and calm down and enjoy something instead of bickering and attcking each other.
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Old 10-01-2019, 23:17   #6147
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Re: Brexit

Since I wont be around for a few hours, the holiday is now lifted.

The continuation of the childish behavior, and attacking each other, will not be tolerated.
Since Christmas is now over, the Sanity Clause will be extended as a kind of Winter Break instead.

Anyone who continues to act in a childish manner will get a "timeout".
You will be suspended from any posting for 1 day (first time), then 3 days, then a week.
Should you not learn after 3 timeouts, a fourth time will see you banned from Cable Forum.

Note: This applies across the forum, not just this topic.
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Old 11-01-2019, 11:00   #6148
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Re: Brexit

Well fancy that, Channel 4 (Which has history for showing bias towards Remaining in the EU), last night had a Youth town hall kind of debate about you know what, and the question popped up to the young audience, would you want a second vote, less than half of them put their hand up.

There are Remainers in the audience who don't want a second referendum, because it makes a mockery of the democratic process.

You can watch it on Youtube here:-

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Re: Brexit

Not a direct correlation to above, however

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/06/brit...um---poll.html

More Britons want to remain a member of the European Union than leave, according to a survey published on Sunday which also showed voters want to make the final decision themselves.

Britain is due leave the EU on March 29, but Prime Minister Theresa May is struggling to get her exit deal approved by parliament, opening up huge uncertainty over whether a deal is possible.

The survey by polling firm YouGov showed that if a referendum were held immediately, 46 percent would vote to remain, 39 percent would vote to leave, and the rest either did not know, would not vote, or refused to answer the question.

Published 8:46 AM ET Sun, 6 Jan 2019 Updated 8:54 AM ET Sun, 6 Jan 2019

Having said that, ALL statistics on this can't be trusted.
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Re: Brexit

According to the slippery Jeremy Hunt he claims the Commons votes this week have made staying in the EU more likely but one detects he is manoeuvring himself into a position for the top job sometime in the future.
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