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Old 08-01-2019, 16:51   #961
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Totally agree with you Arthur.

Another ten are in a Bradford court today, with only one name released so far, 38 year old Basharat Khaliq.

It is claimed that two 14 year old girls living in a children's home in Bradford were sexually exploited & forced to submit to sexual activity through the use of alcohol, drugs and threats of violence.
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Old 08-01-2019, 21:06   #962
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Further names and ages have now been released; they are all described as 'Asian' by the BBC.
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Old 09-01-2019, 08:30   #963
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Or men of a certain religion I would say...
There does appear to be one person of a different religion based on the photograph.
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There does appear to be one person of a different religion based on the photograph.
Even just based on convictions it is less than 1% non-Muslim. If you actually include the thousands of others involved in the trafficking aspect, it will be less than 0.1% non-Muslim.
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Old 09-01-2019, 20:10   #965
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Muslims are a minority as a whole in the UK so, even if it's proved that a significant number of them are involved in sex crimes, they would still show up as a tiny proportion when compared to the population as a whole.
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Old 10-01-2019, 16:31   #966
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Muslims are a minority as a whole in the UK so, even if it's proved that a significant number of them are involved in sex crimes, they would still show up as a tiny proportion when compared to the population as a whole.
True, but if you want a clearer picture would you not do the following?

total people (by race or religion) divided by the amount of convictions for offence (by race or religion)
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Old 10-01-2019, 16:51   #967
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True, but if you want a clearer picture would you not do the following?

total people (by race or religion) divided by the amount of convictions for offence (by race or religion)
A more detailed analysis could be done, but I think it's already clear that there is a disproportionate problem with Muslims and child sex abuse (in court yesterday one girl said that over 100 of them had abused her). Statistics won't really matter to the victims.
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Old 10-01-2019, 18:47   #968
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A more detailed analysis could be done, but I think it's already clear that there is a disproportionate problem with Muslims and child sex abuse (in court yesterday one girl said that over 100 of them had abused her). Statistics won't really matter to the victims.
More detailed analysis has been done.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...al-abuse-gangs

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...ty-tables.xlsx
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Using data from more than 6 years ago doesn't really count for anything.
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The latest data we have on this is from the 2013 CEOP study. It reports 57 cases of Type 1 group abuse in 2012, and police provided ethnicity data on 52 of these.
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75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian.
Using the term "Asian" misrepresents the 7.5% figure used. Also other Muslim gangs are involved that are not Asian, eg they are Somali.
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Thirteen men have been convicted of a string of child sex crimes in Bristol involving the abuse, rape and prostitution of teenage girls.
Bristol Crown Court heard one victim, aged 16, was assaulted by five Somali men after she was moved to the city while in the care of another authority.

Now add in all the men that the girls are trafficked to, but not identified or prosecuted, and therefore not included in any figures.
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Re: Child grooming gang found guilty

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8101941.html

Will a report from 13 months ago do?
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Old 10-01-2019, 21:21   #971
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Using data from more than 6 years ago doesn't really count for anything.

Even so...
Using the term "Asian" misrepresents the 7.5% figure used. Also other Muslim gangs are involved that are not Asian, eg they are Somali.



Now add in all the men that the girls are trafficked to, but not identified or prosecuted, and therefore not included in any figures.
The 2nd link provided information up to the end of 2016.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8101941.html

Will a report from 13 months ago do?
It ought to do.

I can’t believe we’re still having this ridiculous ‘you can’t say that, it’s racist’ discussion over this issue. There is obviously a problem, and denying it in the name of racial harmony will ultimately help nobody.
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I don’t believe anyone is saying that, but some are saying because most grooming gangs are Asian, then most of the people committing sexual offences against under-age children are are Asian, which is not factually correct.

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Yup, I read the article. The stats for the sex offenders register are broadly in line with the racial profile of the country. However, there are a lot of people on the register who are not considered dangerous to the public at large. Without wishing to diminish the seriousness of what they’ve done in any way, the register is mostly populated by people who have downloaded illegal porn, exposed themselves in public or, more seriously, have committed actual abuse yet within their own family setting. There is an obvious scale of increasing seriousness when it comes to sexual offences just as there is with any other sort of crime, and the activities of these gangs, in the premeditated targeting and grooming of vulnerable girls who are strangers to them, is obviously vastly more serious in terms of risk to the public.

I don’t think anyone is saying that Asians are more likely to be sex offenders, but the statistics do justify at least asking the question and doing the research: why is there a particular issue with these serious sexual offences within our Asian community? That is not a racist sentiment, it is a prudent line of enquiry in the pursuit of public safety.
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I agree with you on that.
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