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Old 26-12-2018, 16:16   #961
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Re: Child grooming gang found guilty



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46684638

Once again, the word "Asian" is being used, and it's not race that is often the common factor, but a certain religion.
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Old 26-12-2018, 20:02   #962
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46684638

Once again, the word "Asian" is being used, and it's not race that is often the common factor, but a certain religion.

Or men of a certain religion I would say...
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Old 26-12-2018, 22:49   #963
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Re: Child grooming gang found guilty

The biggest problem we have here. And its a major problem. Even though l am nearly 67 years old.

There are some sick *******s out there that we pray on the young. No matter who they are. The law in this country is far too soft on this type of crime.

Its the bravery of the young who are the victims, who come forward to give evidence. And yet the on annoying this is that the '*******s' and l don't care if admin block the use of the word.

Families get involved, and keep there mouth shut when they 'know' this is happening and young people are passed round as though they are lumps of meat.

I strongly believe that 'if' members of the family know this is happening. Then they are as guilty as the offender.

These offenders should get life in prison - without parole. Remember, life is only 15 years, unless directed by the judge.

I am sorry to be so angry, but l really feel for the victims, who will suffer for the rest of there lives
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Old 08-01-2019, 15:51   #964
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Totally agree with you Arthur.

Another ten are in a Bradford court today, with only one name released so far, 38 year old Basharat Khaliq.

It is claimed that two 14 year old girls living in a children's home in Bradford were sexually exploited & forced to submit to sexual activity through the use of alcohol, drugs and threats of violence.
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Old 08-01-2019, 20:06   #965
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Further names and ages have now been released; they are all described as 'Asian' by the BBC.
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Old 09-01-2019, 07:30   #966
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Or men of a certain religion I would say...
There does appear to be one person of a different religion based on the photograph.
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There does appear to be one person of a different religion based on the photograph.
Even just based on convictions it is less than 1% non-Muslim. If you actually include the thousands of others involved in the trafficking aspect, it will be less than 0.1% non-Muslim.
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Old 09-01-2019, 19:10   #968
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Muslims are a minority as a whole in the UK so, even if it's proved that a significant number of them are involved in sex crimes, they would still show up as a tiny proportion when compared to the population as a whole.
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Old 10-01-2019, 15:31   #969
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Muslims are a minority as a whole in the UK so, even if it's proved that a significant number of them are involved in sex crimes, they would still show up as a tiny proportion when compared to the population as a whole.
True, but if you want a clearer picture would you not do the following?

total people (by race or religion) divided by the amount of convictions for offence (by race or religion)
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True, but if you want a clearer picture would you not do the following?

total people (by race or religion) divided by the amount of convictions for offence (by race or religion)
A more detailed analysis could be done, but I think it's already clear that there is a disproportionate problem with Muslims and child sex abuse (in court yesterday one girl said that over 100 of them had abused her). Statistics won't really matter to the victims.
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Old 10-01-2019, 17:47   #971
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A more detailed analysis could be done, but I think it's already clear that there is a disproportionate problem with Muslims and child sex abuse (in court yesterday one girl said that over 100 of them had abused her). Statistics won't really matter to the victims.
More detailed analysis has been done.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...al-abuse-gangs

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...ty-tables.xlsx
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Old 10-01-2019, 18:17   #972
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Using data from more than 6 years ago doesn't really count for anything.
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The latest data we have on this is from the 2013 CEOP study. It reports 57 cases of Type 1 group abuse in 2012, and police provided ethnicity data on 52 of these.
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75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian.
Using the term "Asian" misrepresents the 7.5% figure used. Also other Muslim gangs are involved that are not Asian, eg they are Somali.
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Thirteen men have been convicted of a string of child sex crimes in Bristol involving the abuse, rape and prostitution of teenage girls.
Bristol Crown Court heard one victim, aged 16, was assaulted by five Somali men after she was moved to the city while in the care of another authority.

Now add in all the men that the girls are trafficked to, but not identified or prosecuted, and therefore not included in any figures.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8101941.html

Will a report from 13 months ago do?
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Using data from more than 6 years ago doesn't really count for anything.

Even so...
Using the term "Asian" misrepresents the 7.5% figure used. Also other Muslim gangs are involved that are not Asian, eg they are Somali.



Now add in all the men that the girls are trafficked to, but not identified or prosecuted, and therefore not included in any figures.
The 2nd link provided information up to the end of 2016.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8101941.html

Will a report from 13 months ago do?
It ought to do.

I can’t believe we’re still having this ridiculous ‘you can’t say that, it’s racist’ discussion over this issue. There is obviously a problem, and denying it in the name of racial harmony will ultimately help nobody.
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