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Old 10-01-2019, 20:24   #976
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Re: Child grooming gang found guilty

I don’t believe anyone is saying that, but some are saying because most grooming gangs are Asian, then most of the people committing sexual offences against under-age children are are Asian, which is not factually correct.

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Yes Pakistani men are disproportionately involved in grooming gangs and this particular model of abuse. And no that is not a racist statement. Neither is it racist to say that when it comes to wider child abuse nearly 90 per cent of those convicted and on the sex offenders register are white men.
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Old 10-01-2019, 21:17   #977
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Re: Child grooming gang found guilty

Yup, I read the article. The stats for the sex offenders register are broadly in line with the racial profile of the country. However, there are a lot of people on the register who are not considered dangerous to the public at large. Without wishing to diminish the seriousness of what they’ve done in any way, the register is mostly populated by people who have downloaded illegal porn, exposed themselves in public or, more seriously, have committed actual abuse yet within their own family setting. There is an obvious scale of increasing seriousness when it comes to sexual offences just as there is with any other sort of crime, and the activities of these gangs, in the premeditated targeting and grooming of vulnerable girls who are strangers to them, is obviously vastly more serious in terms of risk to the public.

I don’t think anyone is saying that Asians are more likely to be sex offenders, but the statistics do justify at least asking the question and doing the research: why is there a particular issue with these serious sexual offences within our Asian community? That is not a racist sentiment, it is a prudent line of enquiry in the pursuit of public safety.
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Old 10-01-2019, 22:15   #978
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I agree with you on that.
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Old 14-01-2019, 16:09   #979
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Fifty-five men arrested in West Yorkshire over child sex abuse
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No doubt the surnames Williams, Jones, Smith and Thomas will be well reperesented in those 55...
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Re: Child grooming gang found guilty

Not just the UK.

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The President of Finland has expressed his 'shock and disgust' after police identified more suspects in connection with a foreign grooming gang targeting children in a town in the north of the country.
Police suspect 16 foreign-born men of rape or other sexual abuses of girls aged between ten and 15 in Oulu, northern Finland, adding another four men to the investigation today.
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'It is unacceptable that some asylum seekers, and even those who have been granted asylum, have brought evil here and created insecurity.'
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Statistics Finland says around 1,200 cases of sexual abuse of minors are reported to the police each year, and that foreigners were involved in 18 percent of the cases that came to trial last year.
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A gang of three man who groomed and raped a vulnerable schoolgirl in a horrific campaign of child sex abuse have been jailed for life.

Mohammed Karrar, Bassam Karrar and Anjum Dogar befriended the 'lonely, friendless' 14-year-old girl and began grooming their victim by taking her to parties and giving her alcohol and drugs before making demands for sexual acts.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...raped-her.html
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Old 22-01-2019, 14:46   #983
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It's not just under age girls that they take advantage of, but also the incapacitated.

I was recently in an Asian eatery and could hear what the waiters were saying to each other. They described how they would go into town after work and take advantage of girls under the influence of too much alcohol. They then went into intimate details of what they could get away with doing to them sexually, until I called over our waiter and had the situation dealt with.

To say they're supposed to be so against alcohol, they certainly know how to take advantage of its effects for their own ends.
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It's not just under age girls that they take advantage of, but also the incapacitated.

I was recently in an Asian eatery and could hear what the waiters were saying to each other. They described how they would go into town after work and take advantage of girls under the influence of too much alcohol. They then went into intimate details of what they could get away with doing to them sexually, until I called over our waiter and had the situation dealt with.

To say they're supposed to be so against alcohol, they certainly know how to take advantage of its effects for their own ends.
I do hope you reported this to the police?
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Old 22-01-2019, 15:00   #985
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It's not just under age girls that they take advantage of, but also the incapacitated.

I was recently in an Asian eatery and could hear what the waiters were saying to each other. They described how they would go into town after work and take advantage of girls under the influence of too much alcohol. They then went into intimate details of what they could get away with doing to them sexually, until I called over our waiter and had the situation dealt with.

To say they're supposed to be so against alcohol, they certainly know how to take advantage of its effects for their own ends.
Richard, fyi, not all Asians* are Muslim - Hindus and Sikhs can (and do) drink alcohol.

btw, did you report these actions to the authorities?

*by "Asians", I assume you mean from the Indian sub-continent (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, & Bhutan), rather than including Afghanistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Brunei, Cambodia, China, Indonesia, Japan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Malaysia, Mongolia, North Korea, Philippines, Singapore, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Tajikistan, Thailand, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Vietnam
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An 'Asian eatery' could by definition be anything from a Kebab takeaway to a top class Chinese/Indian restaurant . . . or even a fish & chip shop nowadays
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Richard, fyi, not all Asians* are Muslim - Hindus and Sikhs can (and do) drink alcohol.

btw, did you report these actions to the authorities?

*by "Asians", I assume you mean from the Indian sub-continent (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, & Bhutan), rather than including Afghanistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Brunei, Cambodia, China, Indonesia, Japan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Malaysia, Mongolia, North Korea, Philippines, Singapore, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Tajikistan, Thailand, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Vietnam
Indeed. I've fallen into the same trap as calling them 'Asian', when Pakistani (or Muslim if appropriate). Whilst it's highly likely that they will be Muslims, I do know of a Pakistani Christian.

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An 'Asian eatery' could by definition be anything from a Kebab takeaway to a top class Chinese/Indian restaurant . . . or even a fish & chip shop nowadays
True. It describes itself as an eatery, which I think is an American term.
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Indeed. I've fallen into the same trap as calling them 'Asian', when Pakistani (or Muslim if appropriate). Whilst it's highly likely that they will be Muslims, I do know of a Pakistani Christian.

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True. It describes itself as an eatery, which I think is an American term.
Once, when working with one of the big 4 accountancy firms (they were the IT Delivery Partner working with us on a Data Warehouse programme), I employed one of their IT Consultants called Saul Judah, who was a Glaswegian* Catholic of South Indian descent - that often caused confusion after people who had been on a teleconference with him met him face-to-face...

*with a very broad Glasgow accent
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*by "Asians", I assume you mean from the Indian sub-continent (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, & Bhutan), rather than including Afghanistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Brunei, Cambodia, China, Indonesia, Japan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Malaysia, Mongolia, North Korea, Philippines, Singapore, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Tajikistan, Thailand, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Vietnam
A lot of people from those countries no doubt lump us together as "Westerners".

But I would like reports to be more specific and use the correct country of (ethnic) origin of these foul rapists.
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A lot of people from those countries no doubt lump us together as "Westerners".

But I would like reports to be more specific and use the correct country of (ethnic) origin of these foul rapists.
Pakistanis usually refer to us as the 'Gura' (white).
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