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Old 23-02-2020, 11:41   #31
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Re: Tyson Fury Vs Deontay Wilder 2

Only other thing I have to say on it is Wilder has a shocking corner team. An awful job patching up the injuries. Pretty much no advice (Because they didn't have any to give) and letting him go out there till the 7th was just as ridiculous. He was absolutely spent by the 5th round. One of the most shocking corner displays I've seen in modern boxing. After the knockdown he slumped down into his corner and got the advice 'Rack up the right hand' How's he gonna pull that off when he keeps getting pushed back into the corner. Absolutely clueless.
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Only other thing I have to say on it is Wilder has a shocking corner team. An awful job patching up the injuries. Pretty much no advice (Because they didn't have any to give) and letting him go out there till the 7th was just as ridiculous. He was absolutely spent by the 5th round. One of the most shocking corner displays I've seen in modern boxing.
Yeah from what l heard even when one of his team wanted to throw in the towel there was not complete agreement even over that.
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Re: Tyson Fury Vs Deontay Wilder 2

I saved my money, and slept soundlly.

I pay enough for my TV package.
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I saved my money, and slept soundlly.

I pay enough for my TV package.
It will be shown on BT Sport in its entirity in the next couple of weeks.
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Re: Tyson Fury Vs Deontay Wilder 2

Deontay Wilder's co-manager Shelly Finkel has indicated that they will activate their clause for a trilogy fight with Tyson Fury next and the trainer added that he also believes Wilder will definitely want to face Fury again next.
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Fury and Joshua want each other. Wilder can swivel. The rematch clause being activated only retires him should a third match taking place.

This is what I meant though. Wilder winning would've stopped a third without mandatory fights. Doesn't even have the belt now and he's still managing to hold the division hostage. The guy isn't going to learn to box in half a year, after that shocking stinker of a performance he shouldn't be anywhere near a rematch. Fury had a year to find ways to pick him apart. Give him another 6 months and it can only get worse.

Joshua walks Wilder down and ends him in two rounds.
Usyk systematically dismantles him like Fury did.
Whyte scraps with him and puts him out cold.
Povetkin has a fair chance of decking him.
Ruiz gets on the inside and does a number on him.

Wilder is in serious trouble of vanishing overnight. Honestly I've got a feeling he'll take a bum fight with Charles Martin or something.

Fury's career is complete with a win against Joshua. It's complete even with a loss in fairness now.
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Re: Tyson Fury Vs Deontay Wilder 2

I think your analysis of boxing is heavily Matchroom oriented. Boxing exists other than what Sky Sports feed you.
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The majority of my boxing views come from DAZN. So that's straight out of the window. As for Matchroom. It's no coincidence they're making record bank. Usyk, Joshua, Mike Garcia. Infact 18 current world champions.

It's hard to avoid Matchroom boxing when the rest of the Heavyweight division just aren't relevant right now and the only two outside that relevance scale are a single Top Rank and Warren fighter in Fury and Wilder.

Name a single heavyweight outside that scope right now. I can't not discuss four fighters that just so happen to be ranked 1, 2, 3 and 4 in numerous rankings just because they're matchroom boxers.

It's not even really opinion either. There's only a single heavyweight in the world I'd place in the top p4p rankings and its Usyk.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxi...pound_rankings

Appears to be a distinct lack of Heavyweights.

The simple reality of the situation is the best fighters in the world aren't at heavyweight and outside the top 7 the Heavyweight division is still massively irrelevant. There's 5 Matchroom fighters, one of which holds 3 of the four main world titles. One is p4p top 5 in the world of any weight class and the other three are all mandatory challengers for world titles. The other two as above are Warren and Top Rank.

If you think it's Matchroom oriented. Go find my attacks on how crap I think Kell Brook is, with or without a world title.

This is exactly what happens every time people turn up in trumps for a single big heavyweight fight.

But aye for reference sake because this is somehow necessary because of the lack of reasoning on how boxing politics or rankings work.

My current favourite watch is Errol Spence Jr. Followed by Lomachenko, Mikey Garcia, Anthony Joshua, Daniel Dubois, Joe Joyce, Derek Chisora, Usyk, Canelo Alvarez, Gennady Golovkin, Daniel Jacobs, Jorge Linares, Rungvisai. I'll tune in for a top Fury fight or a decent Wilder fight (Ortiz/Breazeale) You can't have threads for most of these because strangely everyone seems to disappear unless it's Fury, Wilder or Joshua. Dodgy that. So aye. Crucify me for bringing Matchroom boxers into a casual fight thread in a division predominantly stacked with the very same fighters. You can find umpteen boxers from various promotions in the original MMA thread and Boxing/MMA Cross thread. Notable praise for David Haye bringing boxing to FTA rather than Sky Sports. I can't bash Eddie Hearn at heavyweight, I operate on facts not opinion and the fact is he's got top ranked heavyweights and quite simply revived and made the Heavyweight division relevant again in the UK after Fury ditched the sport following his win to Wlad, opinions are opinions but stats don't lie. Come down to the 147-155 divisions and I'll hammer Eddie hearn everyday of the week. I criticised Warren for wasting Kell Brooks talent but Hearn is desperately trying to sell the guy, notably trying to con the British public that Kell Brook and Amir Khan fighting each other on box office is totally worth buying. It isn't and that's Hearn at his snakiest. Do you think I bothered getting off my arse to watch Kell Brook on Sky Sports the other week? Arguably Kid Galahad was the most exciting fight on that card but I never tuned in because I'm tired of Hearn and Sky trying to flog us a dead horse just to build up that rubbish Khan fight that'll inevitably sell out when the boxing causal British public empty their pockets to watch the pile of crap. The only solid bias and opinion I have for Matchroom is I'd much rather have Joshua there than with Warren, Golden Boy or Top Rank. Fury is absolutely a product of his own making. Frank Warren had absolutely nothing to do with it. The guy could literally self promote and still make money.

I keep saying it and I'll keep repeating. Joshua vs Fury is the biggest fight in heavyweight boxing right now and possibly the biggest fight in boxing for change. That's naff all to do with Hearn, Warren, Sky or BT. It's just two fighters that both hold every world title between them.

The best outright boxing fight is Fury vs Usyk.
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Only other thing I have to say on it is Wilder has a shocking corner team. An awful job patching up the injuries. Pretty much no advice (Because they didn't have any to give) and letting him go out there till the 7th was just as ridiculous. He was absolutely spent by the 5th round. One of the most shocking corner displays I've seen in modern boxing. After the knockdown he slumped down into his corner and got the advice 'Rack up the right hand' How's he gonna pull that off when he keeps getting pushed back into the corner. Absolutely clueless.
On that we agree, they have been stealing a living and when needed let him down badly. I disagree with your assessment of wilders ability though, you don't win a Olympic medal without being able to box. He probably has got so used to relying on that one punch he's got lazy and not put the work into plan b, he like every pundit and armchair expert were expecting a replay of the first meeting and when that didn't happen they were perplexed to the point of paralysis, that ear shot is so hard to recover from as aj found to his cost to, the fact he even got up is deserving of credit in my book and I'm not at all surprised he's triggering the rematch,.you don't become champ by not backing yourself, I think a rematch could be very interesting

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Joshua is very limited as Ruiz showed and Ruiz was classed as a Mexican road sweeper.
By who? Anyone underestimating a Mexican fighter is going to look very silly very soon, not to mention Ruiz has the quickest hands going, especially at the buffet, you've got me at it now
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Nah I'd agree. It'd make sense that he got so adjusted to winning with a single style that he had no answer for it.

I like Ruiz. He's a likeable guy. Unsure why he's been written off. Fury basically did the same thing with the added benefit of a small militias worth of cocaine. I hope he feels the pain of the let down and does something about it. The guy could easily sign a fight with a top 10 at any point and a single win puts him right back amongst it. Mexican fans are huge to PPV boxing in the US. Canelos draw is statement to it. I know at the very least he's in some sort of training and they're looking to set up a fight with Chris Arreola. By no means a huge fight but a tuneup fight that'd give him access to the big lads without an issue.

Anyway a rematch thats been thrown around for June would allow everyone to settle their affairs before squaring off against each other late this year or early next.

Kal Yafai next week with Garcia and Vargas too. Throw in some UFC with Ngannou the month after, Khabib and Ferguson the month after that. Dubois and Joyce. Beterbiyev is well worth a watch too. Not a bad start to the year with no signs of slowing down. Canelo pencilled in for May, Joshua for June, potentially Fury for June.
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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...test-wild-boar

The suspension was served for the doping offence so I'm not really sure why this matters now. Up until now from the 2015 offence he's been presumably clean. I mean they submit multiple samples pre fight and post fight as well as random drop ins throughout training camps. So as above, even if found to be true. The ban would've still been 2 years. Farmer gains some media money and comes back for a bigger hush payment now that Fury is worth tenfold more than he was in 2015. This is all.

Canelo P4P #1, highest grossing boxer post Mayweather era and Golden Boy golden goose tested positive pre and post Golovkin, displaying all the tell-tale signs of steroid use, threw the same excuse as everyone else does, Wild Boar. Money made it vanish fairly quickly in the following years. Also only served a 6 month ban.

Just a reference story regarding politics and corruption inside the sport.
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