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Old 23-02-2020, 04:01   #16
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Re: Tyson Fury Vs Deontay Wilder 2

Last one, still 50/50 at the bookies. If Fury gets as far as the 10th without a scratch then why not. If Wilder lands a killer punch early, then him. Fury's carrying huge extra weight, in shape though. Could limit his speed/cardio but arguably he's fitter than the last bout. Wilder has more to lose than a title. Said before he's not been a great draw, he'll draw well tonight, took the Vegas gate record in revenue, albeit with massively priced tickets. but Fury's the drawing power. Fury could lose and still get a fight with Joshua/Whyte and still draw big.

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Whispers of an ankle injury from a few sources. - Likely a rumour on the same level as a TMZ post. In plain words, probably false.
Joe Rogan is the alleged primary source of the branching rumours on this. - 2nd: Just watched him say it. He's fairly in the fight circle.

Wilders had some new gloves brought in. Struggled to get them on.
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Re: Tyson Fury Vs Deontay Wilder 2

Wilder is getting absolutely beat up. Couldn't be a clearer three rounds. He's got lackluster boxing skills and is terrified of Fury getting in close.

There it is.

He's like bambi. He looks absolutely gassed.

Wilder can't keep this up. He's been systematically destroyed. 2nd knockdown. I think his ribs were broken earlier. No judge could score this against him. The guy can't box. This is done.

Point deduction for Fury. Give over. Just needs to keep this pressure up. Wilder can't go 12 like this. This fight should be stopped now. He's a mess.

Corner should be stopping it too. Hope Fury's not gassing though. Unsure why a doctor hasn't stopped this.

That's it. Ref stops it. Can complain all he wants. He was out of the fight from the 4th and it was getting silly. No rematch please. Let's free up the division. Wilder is still a horrible boxer then, absolutely terrified of Fury getting in the pocket.
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Wilder is getting absolutely beat up. Couldn't be a clearer three rounds. He's got lackluster boxing skills and is terrified of Fury getting in close.

There it is.

He's like bambi. He looks absolutely gassed.

Wilder can't keep this up. He's been systematically destroyed. 2nd knockdown. I think his ribs were broken earlier. No judge could score this against him. The guy can't box. This is done.

Point deduction for Fury. Give over
One way as you say so far but he got to finish him.

Its all over as the towel has been thrown him.

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Re: Tyson Fury Vs Deontay Wilder 2

This is why Joshua had to start actually boxing. You can't go 43 fights expecting to just one hit and quit everybody. You'll get found out eventually. He got found out tonight. Zero defence. Zero game plan and as above absolutely terrified of Fury getting in close.

As outlined many times. The idea of a rematch puts me right off, that's why I wanted a wilder win. Let's skip this, a rematch isn't even deserved. I want Fury to bring Whyte and Usyk into the mix now and get the Heavyweight division rolling now that Wilder can't hold it hostage anymore. If they rematch I might have a breakdown.

Fury has gained the legitimate means to call himself the top Heavyweight now. That's Wlad and Wilder conquered and I can finally stop hearing about the time he beat the former in Germany and about how he's the lineal Champion of the world (No one actually cares about the lineal part)

A deserving win, now let's get the actual biggest fights going. Fury vs Usyk would be phenomenal.
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Re: Tyson Fury Vs Deontay Wilder 2

No chance of a rematch after that fight that is for sure.

Joshua has to improve a lot to trouble Fury IMO as my view is he will get outclassed whenever they do meet.

And Whyte and Usyk will get beat in my view if they tackle Fury.
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Re: Tyson Fury Vs Deontay Wilder 2

Joshua is way more trouble than Wilder from the first bell. A guy that can hit like Wilder but won't just keep going backwards with his hand down. This is the likely match up this year.

Usyk is the best pure boxer at heavyweight.

Whyte will absolutely slug it out with Fury and anything can happen.

Without a rematch here, the Heavyweight division will spring back to life. Just any four of these fighting each other would be huge. Wilder can go away. This was coming. Either of these four could've give him a belting too. Going 39 fights against cardboard cut outs thinking it's easy and who needs to box when you can just land a single punch? To put that into perspective. Tom Schwarz fought better against Fury than Wilder, the former heavyweight champion of the world. Who's Tom Schwarz?
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Joshua is way more trouble than Wilder from the first bell. A guy that can hit like Wilder but won't just keep going backwards with his hand down. This is the likely match up this year.
Joshua is very limited as Ruiz showed and Ruiz was classed as a Mexican road sweeper.

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He is not good enough in my view.

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Whyte will absolutely slug it out with Fury and anything can happen.
Whyte has not been in the ring with someone like Fury and that will come as a big shock to him.

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Without a rematch here, the Heavyweight division will spring back to life. Just any four of these fighting each other would be huge. Wilder can go away. This was coming. Either of these four could've give him a belting too. Going 39 fights against cardboard cut outs thinking it's easy and who needs to box when you can just land a single punch? To put that into perspective. Tom Schwarz fought better against Fury than Wilder, the former heavyweight champion of the world. Who's Tom Schwarz?
No chance of Wilder getting a third fight.
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Joshua is very limited as Ruiz showed and Ruiz was classed as a Mexican road sweeper.

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He is not good enough in my view.

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Whyte has not been in the ring with someone like Fury and that will come as a big shock to him.

Ruiz did the exact opposite. He forced Joshua to box. Which he did for 12 rounds and took a 12 round clean sweep. Ruiz was near undefeated, stood head on with Joseph Parker, wasn't phased and only narrowly missed out. Ruiz was classed as the #5 Heavyweight in the world prior to the fight.

It's not a case of who beats who. It's a case of these fights have to happen.

Joshua vs Fury at Wembley in the summer is actually the biggest fight in 20 years. A unification on British soil would be absolutely massive
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Ruiz did the exact opposite. He forced Joshua to box. Which he did for 12 rounds and took a 12 round clean sweep. Ruiz was near undefeated, stood head on with Joseph Parker, wasn't phased and only narrowly missed out. Ruiz was classed as the #5 Heavyweight in the world prior to the fight.

It's not a case of who beats who. It's a case of these fights have to happen.

Joshua vs Fury at Wembley in the summer is actually the biggest fight in 20 years. A unification on British soil would be absolutely massive
Ruiz might be number 5 in the world and he deserved to beat Joshua in the first fight but that in itself just shows how limited Joshua is as Joshua severely lacks real boxing skills and Fury will show those obvious deficiencies when they eventually meet.
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Ruiz might be number 5 in the world and he deserved to beat Joshua in the first fight but that in itself just shows how limited Joshua is as Joshua severely lacks real boxing skills and Fury will show those obvious deficiencies when they eventually meet.
Joshua's boxing is fine. In fact he's easily 3rd in the division behind Usyk and Fury. He never got out boxed by Ruiz. He knocked him down and chased him around the ring and tried to finish him, fighting him in the pocket before being tagged by the same shot Fury caught Wilder with tonight that took out his eardrum. That's nothing to do with boxing skill. That's fight IQ. It's the same level that nearly cost him against Klitschko in the mid rounds. The guy is literally a 4 time gold medalist. It doesn't work like that. Joshua lacks Fight IQ not boxing skill.
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Joshua's boxing is fine. In fact he's easily 3rd in the division behind Usyk and Fury. He never got out boxed by Ruiz. He knocked him down and chased him around the ring and tried to finish him, fighting him in the pocket before being tagged by the same shot Fury caught Wilder with tonight that took out his eardrum. That's nothing to do with boxing skill. That's fight IQ. It's the same level that nearly cost him against Klitschko in the mid rounds. The guy is literally a 4 time gold medalist. It doesn't work like that. Joshua lacks Fight IQ not boxing skill.
l think you overrate Joshua's boxing capabilities as the great boxing skill is to avoid being hit in the first place and Joshua will be easy to tag when he does eventually meet up with Fury whenever that is..
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l think you overrate Joshua's boxing capabilities as the great boxing skill is to avoid being hit in the first place and Joshua will be easy to tag when he does eventually meet up with Fury whenever that is..
Again you seem to be mistaking skill for intelligence. Nobody avoids getting hit. Fury literally just took 7 or 8 bombs from Wilder, you don't question his ability to get hit though do you, no because he's always moving away from the punch rather than into it. Mayweather was taking close to 120 shots a fight and is arguably the greatest defensive boxer in the world. You're going to get hit. Joshua got hit because he went into the pocket with a guy quicker than him that throws hooks, guys that are 6ft6 don't go on the inside with smaller fighters, you fight at range and keep them off you. It's really not impossible to understand. Lets apply your analysis to something else then. The great boxing skill is to avoid being hit in the first place. Then why did Tyson Fury, arguably the best all rounder in the division get dropped twice by Wilder?

A) Because he lacks the boxing skill to keep him off him - Skill
B) He got silly and was getting way ahead of himself and letting his hands drop - Intelligence

Ultimately Joshua is nowhere near as hittable as Wilder or Klitschko. Fury is the favourite but Joshua isn't going to move backwards for him.

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What's important now.

Rematch clause doesn't have to come first.
Challenging for a belt nullifies all mandatory challenges. So an undisputed fight can happen.
Eddie Hearn is already on it.

£250 million fight and the highest grossing British fight of all time.
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Personally l cannot see a Rematch clause coming anytime soon.

Its inevitable that a undisputed fight will happen but its just when?

Anything to do with money Eddie Hearn like his father is like a pig in swill.
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Re: Tyson Fury Vs Deontay Wilder 2

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Deontay Wilder can't box. I've slated him in numerous threads. The guy is just an awful boxer with a freakish right hand knockout blow. It was never going to last, he'd held a World title hostage for 5 years by cherry picking. He cherry picked Fury as a big name because he was on a comeback and out of shape but as mentioned earlier in the thread, Fury had gained weight but was arguably much fitter this time around.

Fury and power? Not so much, the sheer amount of blows landed really left Wilder in a state, again see earlier posts of Joshua not actually being a knockout puncher but rather a cumulative power puncher. That's not Fury but it's similar. Fury's punches did some devastating cumulative damage. Particularly the shot just on the ear that burst his eardrum and actually ended the fight right there. Wilder never recovered, it was near impossible to recover, it really destroys your balance. The ref and the corner gave him the benefit of the doubt to let it go on but everything after that was just lopsided punishment so the fairest way is to take apart what Fury did right and what Wilder did wrong up until that point.

The background: Fury vs Wilder I, Fury is ready but he's nowhere near 100% he's still relatively out of shape and still managed to elude Wilder for 10 rounds. However he plays into Wilders strengths in this fight and never touches up on his weaknesses until very late in the fight. Those being Wilder can't box going backwards, he panics and hasn't got the skill or IQ to navigate people charging him down. Fury however played the first 10 rounds on the back foot himself countering and jabbing away, winning or losing rounds by one or two punches either side of the scorecard. This doesn't phase Wilder because he's just trying to fight at distance with a clocked back right hand which he lands later in the fight twice when Fury inexplicably goes for a bob and weave motion rather than just backing off with your gloves up. It ends in a draw. Correct or not is opinion. With the punch stats and noting the judges didn't have them you really could score a draw in there.

Fury does his homework. He notices that Wilder panics every time someone threatens to put him on the back foot. Wilder is a horrible combination puncher and has next to no defence, fighting inside against guys of any size just isn't an option for him. Going backwards with poor head movement and fairly poor defence is also not an option. Wilder can't land his power punch consistently going backwards. Wilder doesn't do his homework. He expects Fury to box exactly the same way in a rematch. Bare in mind the above and that Fury's also had two tuneups and a chance to get into proper shape.

Fury vs Wilder II

Wilders gameplan hasn't changed. Fury charges straight to the middle and right off the bat he's got Wilder going backwards, everything has changed, Wilder is hesitant straight off the mark, he's desperately trying to paw Fury off with jabs and they're having slight success but he obviously wants to slow it down and get onto Fury doing the backwards fighting. During the second round, Fury starts letting more than just jabs go and Wilder is visibly rattled and has absolutely no idea what to do. His corner have absolutely no idea what to do because they've drilled a one dimensional fighter, there isn't a plan B or C. The third comes and the inevitable is coming, Wilders getting trapped in corners and taking punishment, it's going to start taking its toll. He's landed a few hard shots of his own but as detailed above, Fury was always moving away from them rather than into them before getting back on the offensive. Wilder couldn't launch any sort of sustained attack because again he just didn't have the answers for fighting off the back foot. Fury absolutely planned this months in advance and executed it perfectly. Ben Davison wasn't swapped out because Fury wanted to gain power, they were just led to believe that. He was swapped out to train intensively on an attacking approach rather than the defensive approach he adopts under Ben. In the end it wasn't even a gamble as made out, they 100% knew if they got Wilder on the back foot he'd panic. The barrage of assault continues and he's getting systematically beaten up. He lands a nasty shot around the ear and Wilder goes down. Believe me, nobody stays standing after those. The problem is, similar to Ruiz vs Joshua I it's a shot you simply don't recover from. The fight is over from that point. The rest is Wilder being absolutely beat up. His corner should've pulled him out way sooner.

Can argue all night about how untalented Wilder is or whether Fury has the best boxing skill. None of those mattered. What actually mattered was the tactical masterclass from Fury. A game plan that was drilled and pulled off superbly. I had it 50/50, the bookies had it evens. Vegas had it to Wilder but that's Vegas. Fury had already been in the ring with him and then had an entire year to take that in and study the guy further. I'll never doubt that again. Fury showed he has elite level boxing IQ. He outboxed Wlad with a combination of both in a bit of a drab fight but based on this he'd probably have dismantled Wlad in a rematch.
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Re: Tyson Fury Vs Deontay Wilder 2

It definitely was a tactical masterclass from Fury and a lot of the praise has to go down to the Kronk Gym trainer SugarHill Steward who of course is the nephew of the legendary Hall of Fame trainer Emmanuel Steward.
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